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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #61

Comparing this year's data to last year's - it looks like the drop rate decreased for UR's at Origins to 0.47%. There isn't enough data to conclude anything on most other pieces since it's just 1 piece here and there. In fairness, the UR rates may be tough to judge (only 16 out of 4K draws) as well.

With monster bits down to 10%, in order to draw 6, you'll need at least 60 draws (assuming you can trade around to get the right combination). As much as it impacts the bead, oddly, it will have a bigger impact on golden fleece in the short term.

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #62

I'm glad Jeff was upfront about the issue with Monster Bits being low. However, I hope we can substitute for something else when it comes to the traveler bead. I understand screw ups happen, but do not punish your player base.

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #63

So, with 50% more bits needed and roughly 1/2 the drop rate... what does that mean, roughly twice as many runs to naturally pull the bits you need to build a bead? (duplicates aside // assuming trading for correct bits, at least?)

Thank you for the information, Jeff. Having our suspicions from the data confirmed is a useful thing, and without sarcasm or rancor, I do appreciate it.

Knowing that we can't trust Word of God proclamations about treasure mix is another useful thing as well.

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #64

The recipe could be changed to only require 4 different 2019 bits. But since people have already made the bead with the current recipe, that would lead to entirely justified unhappiness
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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #65

Harlax wrote: The recipe could be changed to only require 4 different 2019 bits. But since people have already made the bead with the current recipe, that would lead to entirely justified unhappiness


Aye, that's the hard part. Given that people have already transmuted with the current mix + recipe, a backfill to fix would be a hard thing to do.

What would be a reasonable patch here? Send in a bead to prove you made one, get (2x[random 2019 bit[) + bead in return? That eats a bunch of shipping for not much net, and doesn't fix the mix (and doesn't fix the # of pulls made with the low % mix, even if that -could- be back-patched for GC and later cons).

I can't think of a good fix off the top of my head. I think it's just fucked (both from a "this is not reasonably patchable" angle, and from a "can't trust Word of God about these things" angle.)

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #66

Honestly people. Let it go. Oh well shit happens. He meant for the mix to be the same but it isn't. What's done is done. If you can't make the beads you wanted just transmute the rest to fleece. No where in the event descriptions does it say that your guaranteed to pull X amount of anything from a treasure box. And by the way weren't the new sets awesome? Would have expected more positive posts about the new set designs after Origins then people complaining about treasure mix.
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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #67

I think this post was looking for information originally. Others may have complained.

Also, the average negative experience gets repeated 5 times more often than the average positive one.

You are right, we are promised nothing, and owed even less.

Just get over it doesnt help a lot of people though.

There were plenty of posts about how great things were. I second all of those, and cant wait to see what more comes with GC.
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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #68

Rob F wrote: Honestly people. Let it go. Oh well shit happens. He meant for the mix to be the same but it isn't. What's done is done. If you can't make the beads you wanted just transmute the rest to fleece. No where in the event descriptions does it say that your guaranteed to pull X amount of anything from a treasure box. And by the way weren't the new sets awesome? Would have expected more positive posts about the new set designs after Origins then people complaining about treasure mix.


Transmute the rest to fleece is just what I said I would do. And thanked him for communicating.

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #69

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the only additional thing i think these affects is next years transmutes but we can worry about that later.
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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #70

isauteikisa wrote: So, with 50% more bits needed and roughly 1/2 the drop rate... what does that mean, roughly twice as many runs to naturally pull the bits you need to build a bead? (duplicates aside // assuming trading for correct bits, at least?)

Thank you for the information, Jeff. Having our suspicions from the data confirmed is a useful thing, and without sarcasm or rancor, I do appreciate it.

Knowing that we can't trust Word of God proclamations about treasure mix is another useful thing as well.


The mess up definitely sucks, but having the final year tokens required on the 4 year transmute suddenly require double the number of runs as the previous years to get the final set of components is a really hard pill to swallow.

It would be VERY good for something else to be offered as an alternative for the doubling of the cost required to gather the final set of tokens.

It'd be a lot of work to extract the bits from the treasure mix and double up to the correct levels on treasure, hopefully at the minimum the 2019 bits turned in are being recycled back into the treasure mixes to increase their circulation at least a little bit.

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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #71

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Honestly I think the reduction in bits is a fair trade for the fun we are having speculating on the relic recipie fragments.


In terms of a "patch", if Jeff thinks we need one (I dont). We can just tinker with the bit costs for next years items when the time comes. Or maybe let extra recipe fragments be used in place of bits or something. Point is the economy tends to adapt. Not always as expected but Jeff will take care of it. He does move in mysterious ways after all ;)
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Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con? 3 years 7 months ago #72

The only real issue I see with the token scarcity this year is that it's the final year for the multi-year transmute and it's suddenly doubling the number of runs required to complete the transmute people have been building towards for 4 years now.

For people who only have access to GenCon for example it means that they will likely either not be able to make the bead. Will be paying scalper prices for the bits they are missing, or will end up only being able to craft half of the tokens they've been building to for 4 years.

People with access to other conventions in the yearly cycle will have less issues since it's generally easy to get additional runs at the other conventions but adding new runs to your GenCon schedule at this point is not exactly easy to do.

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