TOPIC: Charm of Avarice v3

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Braxton Thomason wrote: I'm also curious if each one will have a unique RFID. It would be very comforting to know that if mine gets lost/stolen, that it might be able to be recovered.

I wouldn't count on it. In your scenario, nothing could prevent someone from selling a CoA and then claiming it was stolen or lost.

This could be the first step towards eliminating physical tokens altogether, and moving towards virtual tokens!

Which we would all hate, even if it were marginally more convenient in some ways.

I'm pretty confident this is sarcasm. But... if not... having virtual Tokens just leads to an easier crime of having skilled hackers create fake and passable Virtual Tokens.

Druegar wrote: The RFID-enabled Charms of Avarice will be available to exchange in person at Who's Yer Con.

The RFID-enabled Charms of Avarice will be available to exchange online starting April 1, 2019.

The Token Exchange Program online currently shows the 2016 version of the CoA as Recipe 3. If I mail mine in now will TD hold my entire transmute order until April 1st? Or will I receive two separate shipments back, one with my "other" transmutes and the new CoA after the 1st?

Mike Steele wrote: That should work 100% of the time it's allowed. If the "owner" the CoA isn't on the run, that's pretty much the definition of loaning outside your group.

Wait, one can't loan out TE to people unless they are actually on a run with them? Did I miss this announcement somewhere?

Matt Goodman wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: That should work 100% of the time it's allowed. If the "owner" the CoA isn't on the run, that's pretty much the definition of loaning outside your group.

Wait, one can't loan out TE to people unless they are actually on a run with them? Did I miss this announcement somewhere?

Well, only people who are on a run can enter Training. The TE tokens are verified in training. Once you enter training, you cannot leave.

I’ll leave it to someone else to link the actual announcement.

jedibcg wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Kaledor wrote: What happens when the RFID chip dies. Can we exchange for a new CoA?

It can't really die. It doesn't have a battery in it. It's basically an antenna with data coded to it. Think of it like a barcode.

Is that really accurate since we don't know what type of tag is in these. If it is a passive tag, which is most likely then no battery. However if it has a active tag then it needs a power source (or a passive battery assisted tag). Or least I don't think it has ever been said what type of tag is in them.

I took it as the RFID was going to be active. However, even if it is not active a electrostatic discharge could damage it. The bottom line: If something goes wrong with the chip, is the token going to be replaced? I think yes...

Rob F wrote: If I mail mine in now will TD hold my entire transmute order until April 1st? Or will I receive two separate shipments back, one with my "other" transmutes and the new CoA after the 1st?

Can I talk you into waiting until April to send in your transmutes?

Ro-gan wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Braxton Thomason wrote: I'm also curious if each one will have a unique RFID. It would be very comforting to know that if mine gets lost/stolen, that it might be able to be recovered.

I wouldn't count on it. In your scenario, nothing could prevent someone from selling a CoA and then claiming it was stolen or lost.

This could be the first step towards eliminating physical tokens altogether, and moving towards virtual tokens!

Which we would all hate, even if it were marginally more convenient in some ways.

I'm pretty confident this is sarcasm. But... if not... having virtual Tokens just leads to an easier crime of having skilled hackers create fake and passable Virtual Tokens.

Just one of many reasons we would hate it

But this argument applies to a registry of physical tokens as well. “Ro-gan stole my CoA! Make him give it back!” How much would that suck?

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Ro-gan wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Arnold wrote:

Braxton Thomason wrote: I'm also curious if each one will have a unique RFID. It would be very comforting to know that if mine gets lost/stolen, that it might be able to be recovered.

I wouldn't count on it. In your scenario, nothing could prevent someone from selling a CoA and then claiming it was stolen or lost.

This could be the first step towards eliminating physical tokens altogether, and moving towards virtual tokens!

Which we would all hate, even if it were marginally more convenient in some ways.

I'm pretty confident this is sarcasm. But... if not... having virtual Tokens just leads to an easier crime of having skilled hackers create fake and passable Virtual Tokens.

Just one of many reasons we would hate it

But this argument applies to a registry of physical tokens as well. “Ro-gan stole my CoA! Make him give it back!” How much would that suck?

That would suck regardless of whether there was a registry.

@MikeSteele - yes, it would.

My scenario was subtle, so I’ll spell it out: what if someone hacked the registry to say one of Ro-gan’s CoAs was actually mine, then I demanded its “return?” Does TD believe the registry and let me steal it, or not?

TD keeps out of our transactions, and anything traded on the forums or elsewhere is neither endorsed nor warranted by TD in any way, shape, or form. I think any sort of registry throws that out the window, and I think it would be silly of TD to open themselves up to that kind of liability.

But I’m not s lawyer, just a cynic.

Brad. I agree with you that TD shouldn't have a registry, unless they someday need to in order to limit how often they're used.

Brad Mortensen wrote: @MikeSteele - yes, it would.

My scenario was subtle, so I’ll spell it out: what if someone hacked the registry to say one of Ro-gan’s CoAs was actually mine, then I demanded its “return?” Does TD believe the registry and let me steal it, or not?

TD keeps out of our transactions, and anything traded on the forums or elsewhere is neither endorsed nor warranted by TD in any way, shape, or form. I think any sort of registry throws that out the window, and I think it would be silly of TD to open themselves up to that kind of liability.

But I’m not s lawyer, just a cynic.

Brad I agree with you, you are not a lawyer

Harlax wrote:

Matt Goodman wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: That should work 100% of the time it's allowed. If the "owner" the CoA isn't on the run, that's pretty much the definition of loaning outside your group.

Wait, one can't loan out TE to people unless they are actually on a run with them? Did I miss this announcement somewhere?

Well, only people who are on a run can enter Training. The TE tokens are verified in training. Once you enter training, you cannot leave.

I’ll leave it to someone else to link the actual announcement.

Correct, I get that. I'm asking that if I'm not in a TD run, say I'm visiting the exhibit hall, getting food, whatever, can I loan out my TE to people who are in a TD run? (Yes, they'll have the TE for the full two hours)