TOPIC: 2020 UR Token ideas

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Xavon wrote:

macXdmg wrote:

Xavon wrote: +1 Returning Bolt of Loading
+1 to hit and damage. Negates crossbow delay when used, reusable

Fixed it for you

Well, since we don't have keywords, I didn't think shoehorning 'returning' into an already long name was needed.

I'd disagree. The Returning aspect is easily as important as the +1 aspect or the Loading aspect. I think I'd say that Returning plus either of the other aspects is UR-worthy, all three may actually push it to Relic.

I'd argue though that we should do a +1 Returning Sling Bullet before a Returning crossbow bolt (or arrow).

Totally not biased on that suggestion, of course.

I mean, NEARLY every class can use bolts.

Just because EVERY class can use bullets, you think we should do that first?

Hmmm......

Actually, no. It isn't because EVERY class can use sling bullets. It is because the ONE class that has least benefitted from ranged weapons the last several years doesn't need to be left even further behind.

I admitted I was biased

I really needed to put a wink in there.

Chalk it up to me being stupid.

I was trying to be funny, and it appears to have failed.

Fiddy wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Xavon wrote:

macXdmg wrote:

Xavon wrote: +1 Returning Bolt of Loading
+1 to hit and damage. Negates crossbow delay when used, reusable

Fixed it for you

Well, since we don't have keywords, I didn't think shoehorning 'returning' into an already long name was needed.

I'd disagree. The Returning aspect is easily as important as the +1 aspect or the Loading aspect. I think I'd say that Returning plus either of the other aspects is UR-worthy, all three may actually push it to Relic.

I'd argue though that we should do a +1 Returning Sling Bullet before a Returning crossbow bolt (or arrow).

Totally not biased on that suggestion, of course.

I mean, NEARLY every class can use bolts.

Just because EVERY class can use bullets, you think we should do that first?

Hmmm......

Actually, no. It isn't because EVERY class can use sling bullets. It is because the ONE class that has least benefitted from ranged weapons the last several years doesn't need to be left even further behind.

I admitted I was biased

Hmm, maybe the returning bullet needs a dex requirement to avoid abuse with the mighty sling?

Would it be crazy to just suggest a UR quiver that just bestows the returning property upon ammunition used? (I guess that might depend on how many arrows of slaying are still in circulation)

Azzy wrote: Would it be crazy to just suggest a UR quiver that just bestows the returning property upon ammunition used? (I guess that might depend on how many arrows of slaying are still in circulation)

This has been suggested before.

The fallout arguments are similar to what's happening with wands. you take a consumable and stop it from being consumed then someone decides this isn't healthy for the game at large.

Azzy wrote: Would it be crazy to just suggest a UR quiver that just bestows the returning property upon ammunition used?

My $0.02: Yes, definitely too powerful at UR. Even at the Relic level it might be too much.

You'd grab that quiver, and then a handful of different uncommon and rare ammo tokens. Then in each round of combat, you could apply +2 damage (of whatever type the monster you're facing is not resistant to) or a variety or other potential effects. All of this without giving up a slot (other than not being able to use it with a second ammo).

Fiddy wrote:

Azzy wrote: Would it be crazy to just suggest a UR quiver that just bestows the returning property upon ammunition used?

My $0.02: Yes, definitely too powerful at UR. Even at the Relic level it might be too much.

You'd grab that quiver, and then a handful of different uncommon and rare ammo tokens. Then in each round of combat, you could apply +2 damage (of whatever type the monster you're facing is not resistant to) or a variety or other potential effects. All of this without giving up a slot (other than not being able to use it with a second ammo).

Unless you did it like a Fitting Base. UR/Relic Quiver that gives you endless of one type of ammo for the adventure, but the token is turned in at start.

Endgame wrote: Hmm, maybe the returning bullet needs a dex requirement strength cap to avoid abuse with the mighty sling?

Fixed it for you

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Endgame wrote: Hmm, maybe the returning bullet needs a dex requirement strength cap to avoid abuse with the mighty sling?

Fixed it for you

Love it!

What if the token granted unlimited ammo for one room only but was a consumable. If rarity is the issue it could be made like the +3 ammo of alteration so all range weapons could use it.

Xavon wrote: Monks are supposedly getting a Class specific Legendary, so what about:

Torc of Ki Channeling
+1 to hit, +1 to melee damage, and +1 to AC
Usable by: Monk

Torc of Ki Master
+1 to hit, +1 to melee damage, and +1 to AC, may hit ranged target with Flurry of Blows
Usable by: Monk

(either Torc of Ki Channeling or Gloves of Fly Fist can be used to make the relic)

Wrentaile's Torc of the Ki Avatar
+2 to hit, +2 to melee damage, and +2 to AC, may hit ranged target with Flurry of Blows, Stunning Fist activates on 19-20
Usable by: Monk

I would be very interested to see how this would work with ranged. Would it essentially just make other ranged weapons work like Shurikens or were you thinking more on the idea of Gloves of the Flying Fists?

Daniel Mickey wrote:

Xavon wrote: Monks are supposedly getting a Class specific Legendary, so what about:

Torc of Ki Channeling
+1 to hit, +1 to melee damage, and +1 to AC
Usable by: Monk

Torc of Ki Master
+1 to hit, +1 to melee damage, and +1 to AC, may hit ranged target with Flurry of Blows
Usable by: Monk

(either Torc of Ki Channeling or Gloves of Fly Fist can be used to make the relic)

Wrentaile's Torc of the Ki Avatar
+2 to hit, +2 to melee damage, and +2 to AC, may hit ranged target with Flurry of Blows, Stunning Fist activates on 19-20
Usable by: Monk

I would be very interested to see how this would work with ranged. Would it essentially just make other ranged weapons work like Shurikens or were you thinking more on the idea of Gloves of the Flying Fists?

That is actually the exact wording off Gloves of the Flying Fist.

Though looking at them again, I wonder if the relic/legendary are strong enough.