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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #25

What was the motivation/rationale for Jeff to create these tokens? My understanding is that they are insanely powerful.

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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #26

Phiswiz wrote: What was the motivation/rationale for Jeff to create these tokens? My understanding is that they are insanely powerful.


It was a token/GP sink.

In the old days, there was a GP auction (usually on Sunday) for old props, and misc knick-knacks.

Then it got to the point where some big token buyers had enough GP that they used Artifacts as a way to take GP out of circulation.

Eventually there were more and more players, so they shifted to Transmutation (particularly Relics and Legendaries) as the main way to siphon GP and excess (trade) tokens out of the token economy.

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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #27

The final arcane recipes sold for about 430,000 GP. Back then gold was selling for about 2.5 cents per GP so the recipes were about $10,000 each. It is strange to think that way back then $10,000 worth of tokens was considered an insane amount of money. However part of the value of these tokens was the understanding they were the last arcane recipes ever to be available.
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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #28

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George wrote: The final arcane recipes sold for about 430,000 GP. Back then gold was selling for about 2.5 cents per GP so the recipes were about $10,000 each. It is strange to think that way back then $10,000 worth of tokens was considered an insane amount of money. However part of the value of these tokens was the understanding they were the last arcane recipes ever to be available.


Its still an insane amount of money, but some people look at is as subsidizing an event they truly love (and I thank them for it).
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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #29

George wrote: The final arcane recipes sold for about 430,000 GP. Back then gold was selling for about 2.5 cents per GP so the recipes were about $10,000 each. It is strange to think that way back then $10,000 worth of tokens was considered an insane amount of money.


Hey George, remember that time Jeff thought $500 was an insane amount of money to spend on tokens, and jokingly offered to dress up as Patsy and join the run to carry all your tokens, if someone spent that kind of cash?

And there was that one (handsome, forward thinking) guy who took him up on it? ;)
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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #30

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George wrote: The final arcane recipes sold for about 430,000 GP. Back then gold was selling for about 2.5 cents per GP so the recipes were about $10,000 each. It is strange to think that way back then $10,000 worth of tokens was considered an insane amount of money.


Hey George, remember that time Jeff thought $500 was an insane amount of money to spend on tokens, and jokingly offered to dress up as Patsy and join the run to carry all your tokens, if someone spent that kind of cash?

And there was that one (handsome, forward thinking) guy who took him up on it? ;)


Did that actually happen? o_o
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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #31

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Raven wrote: Hey George, remember that time Jeff thought $500 was an insane amount of money to spend on tokens, and jokingly offered to dress up as Patsy and join the run to carry all your tokens, if someone spent that kind of cash?

And there was that one (handsome, forward thinking) guy who took him up on it? ;)


Did that actually happen? o_o


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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #32

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MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Raven wrote: Hey George, remember that time Jeff thought $500 was an insane amount of money to spend on tokens, and jokingly offered to dress up as Patsy and join the run to carry all your tokens, if someone spent that kind of cash?

And there was that one (handsome, forward thinking) guy who took him up on it? ;)


Did that actually happen? o_o


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I'm crying :laugh: This is priceless.

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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #33

WOW, now that is funny.

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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #34

Raven wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote:

Raven wrote: Hey George, remember that time Jeff thought $500 was an insane amount of money to spend on tokens, and jokingly offered to dress up as Patsy and join the run to carry all your tokens, if someone spent that kind of cash?

And there was that one (handsome, forward thinking) guy who took him up on it? ;)


Did that actually happen? o_o


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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #35

Phiswiz wrote: What was the motivation/rationale for Jeff to create these tokens? My understanding is that they are insanely powerful.


As originally envisioned they weren't going to be that powerful. I remember at the start Jeff said that they wouldn't even be able to be a +3 weapon without having a drawback. They obviously ended up being a lot more powerful than that.

It's funny that there is a UR now more powerful than the original conception of the artifacts.

I always thought that they were a bad idea, I'm glad no more have been offered.

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Soulforged Tokens 4 years 2 months ago #36

Funny how this conversation reminds me of some old MUDs I played on ages ago, and countless games since.

Having money sinks it useful, but making them too good creates an arms race. Making them not good enough is counter productive. Garner points, favour, or unique aspects in exchange for funds, but those same financial incentives seem to come up in conversation as a negative regularly in token creation, not wishing to step on the toes of those who paid/earned/were lucky enough to garner favor.

Not a distinct point to make per se, I have no horse in this race, just something that has been interesting to observe over the last few years here and there.

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