TOPIC: Horn of Plenty and other such OOP tokens

Jeff wants the ability to reprint any token but he admitted that he would give ground and protect the HOP by never directly reprinting it.
Its not his fault a token becomes popular and folks spend a ton of money on it, nor is it his responsibility to protect those values. But he does like to keep his players happy and keeping large token buyers happy keeps the game funded.

I'm all for reprinting old dungeons and only awarding XP to those that haven't run it before. Epecially starting from the beginning. This would create a set of dungeons less traveled by the older crew and open it up to more beginners. Not strickly so but the lack of xp might encourage it for some. Obviously the flaw here is this would require more space.

I suspect the next reprint will be the ring of riches.

i am going to guess boots and or scepter of might

One of the Might items will definitely be reprinted, due to the Might reprint policy Jeff put in place.

I'd guess the Ring of Riches won't be reprinted for a couple more years, since it has only been out of print for two years. I'd recommend an Ioun Stone that granted extra treasure draws or stamp(s) next year. That way Jeff could rotate between the RoR, CoGF, and Ioun Stone so that one of them was always in print, and each of them stayed out of print for four years before coming back into print. Or even creating four different ones (RoR, Ioun Stone, CoGF, and maybe a bracer/boot/pouch/other slot) so that each of them was out of print for six years before coming back into print. I actually like the idea of a pouch that grants extra treasure coins or stamps, it gives you some extra space to stash treasure coins so you can get a few extra.

Is it really a policy. Or just what the plan was.
I don't remember seeing a "reprint policy"
If that is the care
Scroll of fly is overdue
Hourglass of answers ( although it was a rare, but no URs at the time)
Those are way over due compared to what everyone is suggesting for reprints

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Chris Von Wahlde wrote: I'm only a couple of years into playing and can say I'm against reprints. I missed those items... oh well. If I feel I want or need them I will pay or trade for them. I would much rather see new items every year than reprints. Don't get me wrong. I love the loot, but I love the game even more.

I've played the game from the very first year, and I'm in favor of selected reprints, and I don't see how having them damages the True Dungeon game. There have been UR reprints from the very start - 2005 was the first year with a full set of UR's, and there were several reprints in the 2006 Token Set. There have been UR reprints virtually every single year, and I don't think they have caused any harm to the game.

I thought Ektdar's Tinkering Tool was an outstanding choice for reprinting this year, giving newer players access to a key token for the Rogue class that had been out of print for years. I think that Widseth's Lute is overdue for reprinting, as it gives newer players the ability to both fight and sing as Bards. I also think tokens like Ring of Riches and Charm of Good Fortune are good choices for periodic reprints.

I do understand that there are very passionate viewpoints on both sides of this issue, and it is a challenge for Jeff to find a middle-ground that satisfies as much of the True Dungeon constituency as possible while also staying true to Jeff's vision for the game.

then the old dungeons need to be "reprinted" so everyone else can catch up on missing XP.
This will give us(newer people) access to dungeons XP that is no longer available.

I'm guessing this was dripping with sarcasm... but in the off chance you were actually not joking - were you possibly refering to the Astral Runs?

I dont even care about "XP" as much as the general experience of going through the old dungeons just becasue I have never seen them (I also started playing late, in 2011).

I agree with the sentiments I've heard so far about trading, collecting, building and generally appreciating the game for what it is. I *REALLY* enjoy trading and it's something that keeps my mind busy in the off time.

That being said I may go to WYC this year and I'm really looking forward to see if that event can be expanded to another winter version of TD in the future.

So the point I'm making here is, I play mostly for the experience of the game, and less of the tokens. Tokens are a fun side bonus for me and appeals to my Smoak/Smaug side.

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Is it really a policy. Or just what the plan was.
I don't remember seeing a "reprint policy"
If that is the care
Scroll of fly is overdue
Hourglass of answers ( although it was a rare, but no URs at the time)
Those are way over due compared to what everyone is suggesting for reprints

Jeff said that he'd reprint a different Might token each year, so that newer players would always have access to two different ones in print. I'm not totally clear on whether that was one cycle (one reprint for each of them) or if that cycle would go on indefinitely.

I think it's less likely that something like Scroll of Fly or Hourglass of Answers would get reprinted as a UR since there seems to be a lot of resistance to having a consumable as a UR.

Oh and while we are discussing it...

Reprint HoP? Not gonna happen via Jeff. We can probably put that to bed.

Should another token be made that competes with it for "new players"? Sure i'll buy 9 of them for my other 9 folks I run with. I love loot just as much as the next guy. Do I think it would affect the value of the HoP? Who knows but I'm willing to deal with that.

What would I REALLY like to see? Transmuted items involving treasure draws sounds amazing. Adding bonuses to stats or saves in the proccess? That sounds powerful so as long as it's balanced properly and the truly OP ones are legendary - sounds fine to me.

My thoughts on reprints this year:
Widseth's (probably not gonna happen due to Bodrain)
+2 Staff of power (I'd prefer to see a differnt item that restores power back to wizards who seem a but underwhelmed to me)
RoR/CoGF (I'd prefer to see a new Transmute series which address treasure draws - or nothing at all this year)

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Is it really a policy. Or just what the plan was.
I don't remember seeing a "reprint policy"
If that is the care
Scroll of fly is overdue
Hourglass of answers ( although it was a rare, but no URs at the time)
Those are way over due compared to what everyone is suggesting for reprints

Jeff said that he'd reprint a different Might token each year, so that newer players would always have access to two different ones in print. I'm not totally clear on whether that was one cycle (one reprint for each of them) or if that cycle would go on indefinitely.

I think it's less likely that something like Scroll of Fly or Hourglass of Answers would get reprinted as a UR since there seems to be a lot of resistance to having a consumable as a UR.

there is a lot of resistance against Reprints, but those happen

I honestly think from a business standpoint Jeff should limit the number if token draw items. It's bad enough for him that some of us can pull the cosy or more of our runs. I love treasure ad much as the next guy. My group has HoPs of a different style, Humans who run but don't collect. We get their draws and they get equipped on a nightmare run that will succeed.

Mike, Lazlo isn't stretching to request reprints of dungeons. His point is that if Jeff had to acquiesce to every request of " I didn't get a chance at X." It would dilute the story and success of the dungeons. These requests of people crayon out because they want something scarce is absurd. Do what a lot of us have done. Start trading. There are HoPs out there. Do multistep trades where you get what a person is after. Put in the effort.
Life stinks, either do something proactive or stop whining. It is absurd to think that Jeff needs to give everyone a chance for something. I blew two Specials last year and only got a CoGF on one instead of a Mithral Coin. Do you hear me griping saying he should have given it to me? Nope, I take what I got.

I would vote for some pants, which none of us are wearing Cargo pants of Collecting, which would automatically fill any Treasure stamp missed, for a max of 1 per adventure..... or make them synergistic, and if all ten party members have them, it would fill 2 or 3?

Charm of Charity - You get one fewer treasure pull. All others members of your party get one extra treasure pull.



I guess you could limit by saying all other members not getting an extra pull from items (HoP, Ro$, CoGF).

EN 429 wrote: I honestly think from a business standpoint Jeff should limit the number if token draw items. It's bad enough for him that some of us can pull the cosy or more of our runs. I love treasure ad much as the next guy. My group has HoPs of a different style, Humans who run but don't collect. We get their draws and they get equipped on a nightmare run that will succeed.

Mike, Lazlo isn't stretching to request reprints of dungeons. His point is that if Jeff had to acquiesce to every request of " I didn't get a chance at X." It would dilute the story and success of the dungeons. These requests of people crayon out because they want something scarce is absurd. Do what a lot of us have done. Start trading. There are HoPs out there. Do multistep trades where you get what a person is after. Put in the effort.
Life stinks, either do something proactive or stop whining. It is absurd to think that Jeff needs to give everyone a chance for something. I blew two Specials last year and only got a CoGF on one instead of a Mithral Coin. Do you hear me griping saying he should have given it to me? Nope, I take what I got.

Ian, you cashed in two Specials and got a Charm of Good Fortune and a Mithral Coin worth over $750, which is likely a very healthy profit over your cost, so I hope you're not complaining about that.

I think demeaning the people that are pro-reprints by calling them whiners isn't constructive to the discussion. I'm in favor of selective reprinting and/or function reprints or modifications as a small percentage of the number of UR's (somewhere between 1 to 5 of 20), and it's because I think it's healthier for the game for newer players to have access to some of the better tokens without having to pay hundreds of dollars for them in the secondary market - and that's if they are available. I don't see a lot of Mighty Longbows and Widseth's Lutes, for instance, even available at those higher prices. I'm not arguing for the reprints because I missed out on them, because I already have nearly all of those tokens, but because I think it's good for newer players to have access to them also.

I think you could certainly argue that it's healthier for True Dungeon to do selective reprinting as well. If TD were to reprint, for instance, a Mighty Longbow, Ring of Riches, Widseth's Lute, etc, that would result in additional token sales which help support True Dungeon. TD doesn't get anything from the sales on the secondary market of tokens at inflated prices.

So, I'd just ask everyone to realize that people have different perspectives and that their motivations might also be noble even if their opinions are different than yours. That's a lot better than calling people that are in favor of selective reprinting whiners and lazy, or calling people that are against reprinting selfish profiteers.