TOPIC: Final Transmuted Recipes

Matthew Wheat wrote: Looking over the costs of making some of these relics is making me shudder...I'm only planning to get a $250 pack of tokens and trading in some others I have, and then buying/trading for the rest, which will go into a +3 Viper Strike Fang.

I'm not THAT big of a buyer, but hopefully I can at least get that relic this year...

You should have more than a year to do it

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Harlax wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the changes. I would still recommend for the healing potion to change the wording for the recipe from "any 1 point healing potion" to "any common healing token". The way the wording currently is, it will exclude exchanging the following common healing tokens: Dwarven Rations, Orcish Rations, Goodberry, and even Fermented Frostberries from 2012.

I could see it being slightly more expensive also - even trading in 12 or 13 common tokens for a 10 point transmuted token seems like a pretty good deal

Thanks!
Mike

those are not potions...we are making a bigger potion. So I see why it is worded that way

From a logical perspective, the Goodberry and Fermented Frostberries were the "1 Pt Potion of Healing" equivalent token for those years, so it makes sense they would be included as well.

And from a story perspective, I could certainly see including all the different common healing tokens as part of making a more powerful healing potion. Pour a few healing potions in the pot, mix in a couple of frostberries & a Dwarven Ration, stir until dissolved - Voila! That's no different from potions in fiction needing wings of bat, eye of newt, etc

NO clue, but I am sure there is a reason.

Its magic...

That the D&D equivalent of your Dad saying "because I said so."

EXACTLY

Which is why I mentioned the proposed change to Jeff. It would work just as well with all common healing tokens as with just common healing potions, it's just whichever way Jeff wants to go. I'm hoping he decides to include all common healing tokens, as I am sure there are just as many (for example) Fermented Frostberries out there as there are some of the common healing potions. Including all common healing tokens would help clear out the surplus of a lot more tokens than just common healing potions would.

There are two main reasons for the current limitation:

1) the thinking was it takes potions to make a "distilled" potion; consideration was given to "fermented" type berries but ultimately was left out.

2) there are significant factory limitations on the number of copies of a single token that can be made. If the ingredients included all 1 point heals, it would easily exceed the number that can be made and lead to running out. This would cause additional costs to make more to cover the two years of availability.

Of Course we could still run out with the current formula, but the chances are diminished.

Donald Rients wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: well, ive just put together the stacks of tokens to make the transmutes I want; keen slayer bow, +3 viper fang, ring of greater focus...then I stack up the 'reduced cost' rod of niltongue. and it is still too expensive. all the item will do is give my druid build +1 to hit over current build until a druid relic weapon comes out. i think i would rather put these materials towards saving for the legendary bow. looks like my druid is stuck with a +2 weapon until a druid relic weapon comes out.

Don't forget about saving back items for each of the Rod of Seven Parts.

Heh, i did that a few years ago when jeff announced the formula for eldritch items. Though, maybe i should set aside the trade items for the boots now, just to be safe

kurtreznor wrote:

Donald Rients wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: well, ive just put together the stacks of tokens to make the transmutes I want; keen slayer bow, +3 viper fang, ring of greater focus...then I stack up the 'reduced cost' rod of niltongue. and it is still too expensive. all the item will do is give my druid build +1 to hit over current build until a druid relic weapon comes out. i think i would rather put these materials towards saving for the legendary bow. looks like my druid is stuck with a +2 weapon until a druid relic weapon comes out.

Don't forget about saving back items for each of the Rod of Seven Parts.

Heh, i did that a few years ago when jeff announced the formula for eldritch items. Though, maybe i should set aside the trade items for the boots now, just to be safe

did jeff ever say the if the rod would be completed this year?
I know the 7 seg will be released, but did he ever say it would be able to be transmuted into full rod this year?

I've always thought the price for Legendary items were bullshit. I put $1-2k into tokens every year, but I'll be damned if I put that much into a single one.

I too would love to know the cost of the RoSP as well.
If there is a large gold cost associated with it, it will mean passing on a certain PYPs (the bow mainly).

Jeff can you answer the questions?
Will it be available this year pre-convention?
What will its cost be?
What will it do unto itself (not part of an eldritch set as we already know those)?

Well, I put all these Relic and Legendary items into a spreadsheet to analyze their $$$ value.

The weapons are slightly more expensive than previous year's Relic and Legendary items.

However, the rest of the 2014 Relic and Legendary items are actually quite a bit **less expensive** in terms of $$$ value.

It looks kind of like a mixed-bag to me. Some of the items I am curious as whether or not anyone ever makes one, such as the Relic and Legendary items for the Ring of Focus - with so much "competition" in that slot, I am not sure that those items ever get made, even though this particular ring is not very expensive to make. However, everyone will want the fancy new weapons... and they are more expensive to transmute - not a lot more than Relic and Legendary items from previous years, but more nonetheless.

I plan to make the Rings of Focus.

I plan on making the Rings of Focus as well, they will likely be the only Relics I transmute.

Relics or Legendaries, Mike?

I will definitely be getting all of the relics, but legendaries are a bit more questionable...

Oh, and I want to agree with who ever said attaching year specific URs to timeless legendaries is bad.

Xavon wrote: Relics or Legendaries, Mike?

I will definitely be getting all of the relics, but legendaries are a bit more questionable...

Oh, and I want to agree with who ever said attaching year specific URs to timeless legendaries is bad.

Relics. I have yet to make a Legendary token, and would guess that I never will. Since I outfit the whole group of 10, I'm better off making several Relics than one Legendary.

I guess I might also make a couple of +4 Rings of Protection as well, since I have a few +1 and +2 UR Rings.

I'm in a very similar situation as mike, and have not yet made a legendary but I think I will this year because the weapons are quite good.

I will be making both relic rings for sure, and possibly multiple copies.