TOPIC: Do You Want to Play a Game? >:D

Mine will come next year and I have a token lanyard from a ring of regeneration that it will go in.

Druegar wrote:

Garrison wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is hard to find in the token database

Why do you say it's hard to find? I just did a search for "medallion of nobility" and it popped right up.

I mean it doesn't come up in categorical searches often, unless you specifically think of looking for it. I imagine most people using the database were going through year-by-year, which would not reveal the yearless items.

Eversuede wrote: It just little old me is all and Drueger, you take it easy since your username is on the token and all. (snip) Amorgan's spreadsheet is the most update and most re-version and he take it like a champion. But there no token with his username on it, beside the point.

I agree: it is completely beside the point whether someone has a token named for them or not. It should not even come up in a discussion about token slots.
I realize I'm saying this as someone who has a token named after herself, but if named tokens cause a person to be singled out for snubbing, or treated like they are better than others, or think they are better than others, then I'd just as soon hang up my Nightshade Shortsword.
Named tokens mean only one thing: Jeff felt like naming a token after them. His call, nothing more.

you are the only one with slotless and yet have try to share with other about your official finding on this because I know that the token data base is your realm of expertise.

The token database is the only token resource (beyond the official TD guides and character equipper) to have its own link under token resources. I think that makes it pretty official as these things go. If there's a conflict between two sources (which we all know happens from time to time) Druegar is usually very quick to check with the powers that be, and post the results of the discussion, as well as making the changes to the tokendb, or making a note for future token guides to be changed.

You ever watch Mcguyer the T.V. show, where he gather house old appliance and it work for the first time for escape, but after that it doesn't get excite than that. The same with True Dungeon, the first impression is great, but after years we start to notice a bandage here and bandage there and work load is on back order 6 months to year behind. Since you have seniority change it by share your information on what need to be corrected on this matter and make sure that everyone is on the same page. Remember consistent not only in the Dungeon, it with us.

Kay, I gotta be honest here... I can usually understand what you are saying, but some of that last paragraph may have been lost in translation. What I got out of it was "True Dungeon is as awesome as an old 80's TV show, and ALL the people who work to keep it together are all kinda like Macguyver (ie, uber-awesome), even when it's all being held together with duct tape and chewing gum".

Not that anything further needs to be said on the topic, but I'll toss this last bit out there: It was Garrison's game, and his selfless choice to make this token available as a prize, so really - whatever rules or databases he felt the need to use, that was his call. We don't need to point fingers at anyone, especially not those MacGuyver-like folks who save the day so often with elastic bands and a paperclip. And maybe a token or two.

Raven wrote: The token database is the only token resource (beyond the official TD guides and character equipper) to have its own link under token resources. I think that makes it pretty official as these things go. If there's a conflict between two sources (which we all know happens from time to time) Druegar is usually very quick to check with the powers that be, and post the results of the discussion, as well as making the changes to the tokendb, or making a note for future token guides to be changed.

(snip)

Not that anything further needs to be said on the topic...

One more thing does have to be said. I was mistaken. I did not mean it as an attack on the Token DB, Druegar or anyone else. I simply meant that the Token Guide was the official source (which I now understand is one of a few). I generally refer to the Token Guide first, and the DB quickly. I'm sure that Druegar will get discrepancies fixed between the two expeditiously.

On a side note, is Dave still the token guru or is it Druegar now? Just curious.

Dave maintains and updates the Token Guide.
I maintain and update the TDb.

Druegar wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is not a token a character equips. That's why it was classified as slotless. If you will sleep better at night thinking it's a neck slot item, be my guest. In the end, it makes no difference if it's slotted or slotless because the token has no benefit other than bragging rights.

Garrison wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is hard to find in the token database

Why do you say it's hard to find? I just did a search for "medallion of nobility" and it popped right up.

darkangel866 wrote: Remember Tokendb is not official

According to whom? What is your criteria for being "official"?

Raven,

I know that my delivering in writing leave lot to desire, but is improving a bit by bit. As for me being touch by all aspect of the game could offer where I done Hardcore Playing/Promoting tokens by being a trader/volunteer for 4 years and the continually buying tokens, kind of make me into a big buyer and also big supporter of TD. I work hard in being a people's person because I have to and it show, where by I continue enough viewer to my trade thread and I make a few more than the year before. When I point things out that need address, is because I cover all facts before making an issue of it. Even those I don't like to because the bad press, but as human being we strive to improve ourselves if those care to choose it. I try to PM people about it, but it got ignore one way or another. Then I present them with facts and occur pattern continue to happen from them. And not only it doesn't matter and even permissive to be overlook upon. Where does that leave with no option at all? That of a 160 I.Q. and worldly experience to follow by won't mean diddly squawk without the real need to listen, but not hear like to the rest before me. All avenue are congestion and no relief in sight. It didn't matter in the manner I speak or write from, just same result and I'm even force the issue either. Like they said that there is tomorrow with or without me and the world will keep move regardless. My last chosen is to quit for good for the best interest in everybody sane and pretend like nothing happen as usual.

By Druegar deliver in writing toward the forumites in question is like he not people's person and even I experience that for myself. That is what you spoke on his behalf and I face as I the one point finger at him. Which is not my true intention, when in fact it the complete opposite. He point finger at the two because his position is fine and nothing wrong in how it look, especially of that may be the seniority in position of Token Data Base. I believe he forgot that you have to network through website/program/old hardcopy and not just said that token data base is official, but work well with other and future co-worker as volunteer go. Take it as you will and I'm not here to offend, but have the resolution mean if not apply, then it useless to speak out about it.

-Eversuede-


P.S. Raven, sorry

This is a sincere question—I genuinely want to know. What part of this is an attack? Please be honest.

Druegar wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is not a token a character equips. That's why it was classified as slotless. If you will sleep better at night thinking it's a neck slot item, be my guest. In the end, it makes no difference if it's slotted or slotless because the token has no benefit other than bragging rights.

Garrison wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is hard to find in the token database

Why do you say it's hard to find? I just did a search for "medallion of nobility" and it popped right up.

darkangel866 wrote: Remember Tokendb is not official

According to whom? What is your criteria for being "official"?

I discussed the slottedness of the Medallion of Nobility with Jeff tonight. He confirmed it's a slotless item.

Also for the record, the TDb is officially official .

My apologies to Garrison for hijacking this thread.

So was the token announced, or the winner? Just don't want to read through 80 posts before bed!

bpsymington wrote: So was the token announced, or the winner? Just don't want to read through 80 posts before bed!

Yes there is a winner. It was Adeya and token was the Medallion of Nobility.

Eversuede wrote: I know that my delivering in writing leave lot to desire, but is improving a bit by bit.

Your writing is improving a lot. I realize you have a lot of challenges to overcome when it comes to the written word, and admire your perseverance.

By Druegar deliver in writing toward the forumites in question is like he not people's person

Druegar's responses to questions are often short & direct. I'm guessing you interpret that as terse or unfriendly? I can see how it could be read that way, though I've always assumed the short responses were to keep our cluttered forum a little bit cleaner. In fact, I enjoy Druegar's direct, no-nonsense replies, since he gives the information I'm looking for with no fanfare or hassle.

The written word is a strange thing. Without verbal cures & body language, it's hard to gauge the tone of the writer, and we have to make assumptions. My personal choice is to assume the writer is speaking in a friendly tone*. Your mileage may vary.
*Well, unless it's Henwy. Then I imagine dripping sarcasm ; )

He point finger at the two because his position is fine and nothing wrong in how it look, especially of that may be the seniority in position of Token Data Base. I believe he forgot that you have to network through website/program/old hardcopy and not just said that token data base is official, but work well with other and future co-worker as volunteer go.

If you read the questions "Why do you say it's hard to find?" as Druegar questioning Garrison's intelligence, then I could see why you would take offense and try to defend other forumites. It's not wrong to want to stand up for your friends, but pointing fingers at someone else isn't always the best way to do it.

I can not speak for Druegar directly, but the way I read his comments, they were honest questions. For example, Druegar regularly looks for ways to make the tokenDb more user-friendly, and if Garrison had trouble finding the MoN then maybe that's something which needs to be fixed. (I'll be honest: I couldn't find MoH either, until I realized I'd misspelled "Medalion." Doh!) Either way, it does not need all of us to derail the thread in order to cast aspersions or place blame.

Very sorry Garrison for derailing things further

I am still interested in which clues you felt were present in the initial "Lost token" post (And if you decided to have the game on MON as a way to hint towards the MoN, then I think your devilish clues are worthy of a Jeff-level of obscurity... like when he hid a clue in the ivy.)

Druegar wrote: This is a sincere question—I genuinely want to know. What part of this is an attack? Please be honest.

Druegar wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is not a token a character equips. That's why it was classified as slotless. If you will sleep better at night thinking it's a neck slot item, be my guest. In the end, it makes no difference if it's slotted or slotless because the token has no benefit other than bragging rights.

Garrison wrote: The Medallion of Nobility is hard to find in the token database

Why do you say it's hard to find? I just did a search for "medallion of nobility" and it popped right up.

darkangel866 wrote: Remember Tokendb is not official

According to whom? What is your criteria for being "official"?

I discussed the slottedness of the Medallion of Nobility with Jeff tonight. He confirmed it's a slotless item.

Also for the record, the TDb is officially official .

Druegar,

There is no attack by you or me or even allegation of there of. By point out the sudden different where one is misunderstood that all availble information throught other source then your own seem to be misleading to the fact that you declare it official which didn't help the fact other source were wrong and nothing has been done to clarify that until now. But I suspect you knew that already and now I ask you to bridge the gap between network, so that the public aren't make into being fool of themselves when asking for help and if I ask you what is your criteria to have a heart? You will probable be offend by it. My best intention is to have resolve this tension between us by where you did not notice. Just because there no fundamental principle in place to establish communication between forumites like ourself doesn't mean you have to take the high ground when talk me in the low ground. We are equal to strive for the goal of True Dungeon and the people their represent to us. Which I hold in high regards for it, even if it's you. Toward this TD forum is historical document where by the testiment to the great community being together hold the fiber of being special for me and those other like me. Just give you better idea in how you want to be treated than the way you had treated me. Like your approach to the other forumites in respond there of.