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Druegar wrote:

MetaphoricDragon wrote: Does Bracer of the Asp qualify as a magical or non-magical weapon?

Per the established procedure for determining whether a weapon is magical or not, Bracer of the Asp is not a magical weapon. The TDb has been updated to reflect that.

Thanks for catching that error, please enjoy a glass of milk.

I am a bit confused why the Bracer of the Asp is not magical.

It says "includes 4 pts Poison damage," and those 4 points are included and printed into the damage wheel.

To me, that seems to qualify under "any kind of + To Hit or + Damage printed on the token."

It seems kind of arbitrary that if the Bracer of the Asp had a 1-2-3-4-5-6 damage wheel and simply said +4 poison damage, it would work the exact same way, but it would suddenly be magical.

Similarly, one would think that the Shuriken of Shock should also be magical.

Bracer of the Asp and Shuriken of Shock are both non-magical per Jeff's definition. (see the QTR)

If you would like Jeff to change that definition, please take it up with him. I have no desire to rehash this argument.

Druegar wrote: Bracer of the Asp and Shuriken of Shock are both non-magical per Jeff's definition. (see the QTR)

If you would like Jeff to change that definition, please take it up with him. I have no desire to rehash this argument.

And based on Jeff's definition, one could make the argument that the Bracer of the Asp *does* have +4 poison damage printed on the token.

The question then is how strict is "+ To Hit or + Damage"

- Apparently capitalization is not important (plenty of things have "damage" in lower case)

- Apparently the "+" does not have to directly precede the "Damage" (plenty of things have a damage type in between)

- Apparently you do not even need to have "To Hit" literally printed on the token

- It is unknown if the "+" is absolutely crucial. So if a hypothetical token said "deals an additional 3 damage to Orcs" or "deals an extra 3 damage to Fey" would count as magical

- Apparently "includes X damage" does NOT count as magical.

I'm not getting into this argument again. Ask Jeff.

Druegar wrote: I'm not getting into this argument again. Ask Jeff.

Well, this brings up similar (but different) issues regarding magical ammo. Taking a look through the TokenDB, I see:

1. Sling Bullet of Acid

Listed as "non-magical" even though it says "+2 pts of Acid damage" and similar ammo (of different energy types) are magical.

2. Masterwork Hand Crossbow Bolt

Lacks the "non-magical" label even though it should get it as part of the Masterwork exception.

3. Arrow of Slaying & Arrow of True Flight

Lack the "non-magical" label. They do not provide any hit or damage bonuses so they should probably be non-magical under the current definition.

4. Sling Stone of Chaos & Sling Bullet of Chaos

Lack the "non-magical" tag but they have an even stronger argument than the Bracer of the Asp for being non-magical. (Bracer of the Asp has an explicit "includes 4 poison damage.").

It seems inconsistent for these Chaos ammo to be magical when the Bracer of the Asp & Shuriken of Shock are not.

* 5. Sling Bullet of Impact

This is just a footnote rather than an actual issue.

Here we establish that literal "+X" wording is not strictly required. The Sling Bullet of Impact says "adds 2 pts of sonic damage" IS sufficient to get classified as magical.

So apparently "+" and "adds" are sufficient but "includes" is not.

The following entries in the TDb have had their "magicalness" corrected:
Arrow of Slaying
Arrow of True Flight
Masterwork Hand Crossbow Bolt
Sling Bullet of Acid
Sling Bullet of Chaos
Sling Stone of Chaos
Thanks for pointing out those errors. Please enjoy a glass of milk.
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Druegar wrote: Thanks for pointing out those errors. Please enjoy a glass of milk.
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Does a body good.

Thanks for the milk and you're welcome for the pointers!

tokendb.com/token/orcish-rations/

appears to be missing what it exchanges to....which should be darkwood planks I believe.

jedibcg wrote: Orcish Rations appears to be missing what it exchanges to

fixed
Thanks for catching that, please enjoy a glass of milk.
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Yeah finally got my milk.

Waiting for a picture of Druegar on a Got Milk? poster...

jedibcg wrote: tokendb.com/token/orcish-rations/

appears to be missing what it exchanges to....which should be darkwood planks I believe.

The 2008 Orcish Rations are so old that they have surely spoiled by now! As a result, they should not be transmutable or capable of being turned into a trade item!