TOPIC: Re: Micro Buyers Guild

Put me down for 60 and I will pay 5 on the TD shipping + the 5 to get it to me.  =D  We probably should do the PYP drawing ASAP and get the order in as quickly as possible.<br />

<br />OK. We can send the money to Jenett: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.<br />Don't forget the $5. for your personal shipping and someone still has to pick up the other half of the shipping cost from TD.<br />She will handle the buying but will be out of town for a few weeks so I will handle the shipping.<br />Thanks everyone.

Damn!!  I wish I would have seen this sooner.  Or at least paid more attention.  There is always next year.  =)

bah and right as work tells me I will be getting 5 days a week instead of the normal 3 for the next couple weeks, o well. Grats on second purchase this year.<br />And I don't mind dropping a pack of tokens into the guild vault but on that note, I would be rather pissed if that stack at a GT in it or UR. How would we deal with such things?

If it is a GT, I'd say the contributor gets it back immediately, since it has a limited shelf life. In the case of the UR, the contributor can choose to take it or leave it in the treasury and aways have access to the amount of treasury UR that he/she contributed.

jenett did the tokens get mailed today? ? ? ?

<br />Damn!!  I wish I would have seen this sooner.  Or at least paid more attention.  There is always next year.   =)<br />

<br /><br />Who says we cannot put together another order? <br />Make a pledge and if we get enough pledges before the tokens run out we will do it again.

I still have an address or two to gather. If I don't get them tomorrow, I'll mail what I have addresses for.<br /><br />Jenett

<br /><br />And I don't mind dropping a pack of tokens into the guild vault but on that note, I would be rather pissed if that stack at a GT in it or UR. How would we deal with such things?<br />

<br /><br />That is one I have been struggling over. <br />Speaking objectively, it would be a great way to really build up the token base for purps to stay and require another purp in trade to get it out. And what would it take in trade to get a GT?<br />Subjectively: ouch! It would be a hard thing to do. Much easier if I did not know the purp came from me.<br />But, in the end, I believe in the Guild Treasury enough to leave the purp. <br /><br />I have to think more about leaving the GT though.

<br />Because of the limited time frame, I am hoping everyone is sending their payments digitally.<br />Who knows how long a week might end up being with all of those token fiends out their.

In terms of how to handle the treasury, it depends on how we want to look at it. <br /><br />Communal Bank (Player-Owned Asset)<br /><br />If the treasury acts as a communal bank of tokens, then it seems appropriate that members could contribute tokens and/or packs into the bank as they see fit. However, they could only withdraw as much as they contribute and in the kind which they contributed. For example, if I contributed 10 commons, I could only withdraw 10 commons. If I submitted an unopened pack, I am automatically allowed to withdraw up to 7 commons, 2 uncommons, and 1 rare. Thus, someone could liquidate their contributions to the treasury, but only withdraw the "value" of what he or she has invested. Going this route, it is essential that deposits be tracked and the current treasury inventory is posted, so that everyone can feel secure in their investment. This model allows the contributor of a UR or GT in an unopened pack to immediately withdraw it if he or she sees fit, since he or she is withdrawing a type and amount that was contributed. If he or she chooses to build out the UR selection, all the better for the guild. <br /><br />Thus, if I contributed an unopened pack which had 6 commons, 2 uncommons, an ultra rare, and a GT (wow), I would immediately get my GT back and could choose to either take or leave my UR. The benefit of leaving the UR is that I could now access the URs that other contributors have also chosen to leave in or deposit.<br /><br />Tithe System (Guild-Owned Asset)<br /><br />If the treasury is truly a guild asset, then it should be treated like a tithe. Basically, all guild members would contribute one unopened pack into the the treasury a year to retain membership. All tokens in the treasury would be guild property, for exclusive use by current guild members. We would need to develop a fair and balanced withdrawl system, which would most likely need to have a regulated withdrawl schedule and clear selection rules. Any GTs that made it into the treasury would be raffled off to current guild members. This method divorces the contributor from ownership of submitted tokens, so the maintenance of the treasury would need to be transparent and effective. <br /><br />Either way we are going to need to make sure that the holder of the communal treasury is impartially and effectively managing the treasury.

<br />I kind of depends on how we want to look at it. <br /><br />If the treasury acts as a communal bank of tokens, then it seems appropriate that members could contribute tokens and/or packs into the bank as they see fit. However, they could only withdraw as much as they contribute and in the kind which they contributed. For example, if I contributed 10 commons, I could only withdraw 10 commons. If I submitted an unopened pack, I am automatically allowed to withdraw up to 7 commons, 2 uncommons, and 1 rare. Thus, someone could liquidate their contributions to the treasury, but only withdraw the "value" of what he or she has invested. Going this route, it is essential that deposits be tracked and the current treasury inventory is posted, so that everyone can feel secure in their investment. This model allows the contributor of a UR or GT in an unopened pack to immediately withdraw it if he or she sees fit, since he or she is withdrawing a type and amount that was contributed. If he or she chooses to build out the UR selection, all the better for the guild.<br /><br />If the treasury is truly a guild asset, then it should be treated like a tithe. Basically, all guild members would contribute one unopened pack into the the treasury a year to retain membership. All tokens in the treasury would be guild property, for exclusive use by current guild member. We would need to develop a fair and balanced withdrawl system, which would most likely need to have a regulated withdrawl schedule and clear selection rules. Any GTs that made it into the treasury would be raffled off to current guild members. This method divorces the contributor from ownership of submitted tokens, so the maintenance of the treasury would need to be transparent and effective. <br /><br />Either way we are going to need to make sure that the holder of the communal treasury is impartially and effectively managing the treasury.<br />

<br /><br />I do like a lot of what you have said, although my initial idea was for the donations to be the the base pool and not subject to withdrawal but there to be traded for. I have an appointment and cannot stay to talk but we do have things to discuss and settle.