TOPIC: Things to Fix on the Main Site

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It was definitely mentioned that the Sirt of Focus would be the 4th shirt.

The completed item is said to add +2 Focus, so I assume the +3 there is a typo.

It says it will be +3 with a penalty and that the final version will be +2 to all stats and Focus. Just like the Kilt of Tavernbane, they reduced the final benefit a bit in order to compensate for the elimination of the penalties. I've never seen anything saying the Shirt of Focus would be the 4th shirt, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong, as that means I'll have one less UR to buy later to complete my sets.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

jedibcg banjo number 5 wrote: Hmmm I thought (perhaps incorrectly) there was only supposed to be 3 years of shirts.

Shirt of Focus is the 4th (and 0th as well)

Shirt of Focus is not the fourth shirt. It does not give +3 spell damage as mentioned specifically in the multi-year post

truedungeon.com/multi-year-tokens

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=250078#348827
"Multi-Year UR Shirt Set: Over the next four years we plan to release four Shirts. The first three give bonus/penalties toward the STR, DEX, CON stats and the final year grants +2 Focus (+2 to cast healing spells, cast damage spells, and polymorph damage.) At the end of the four years, all four can be combined so they make one Shirt that gives +2 to all those 3 stats and has the Focus power.

The 4-Year Shirt is not an Eldritch item. We are capping the Eldritch set at five. It is time to forge a new line of multi-year tokens that hopefully will use hidden RFID chips to make some cool effects for the players. Any "set" benefits won't be manifest for many years (since it takes at least two of these multi-year tokens), but I would not rule out giving the first "Arcanum" multi-year token (light purple token that's coming in four years) a cool little RFID chip enabled ability. I have so many cool ideas."

This doesn't specifically say it will be the Shirt of Focus, but what is described is the shirt of focus. I am not certain if Jeff said elsewhere that it specifically will be a reprint of the Shirt of Focus or not.

jedibcg banjo number 5 wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

jedibcg banjo number 5 wrote: Hmmm I thought (perhaps incorrectly) there was only supposed to be 3 years of shirts.

Shirt of Focus is the 4th (and 0th as well)

Shirt of Focus is not the fourth shirt. It does not give +3 spell damage as mentioned specifically in the multi-year post

truedungeon.com/multi-year-tokens

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=250078#348827
"Multi-Year UR Shirt Set: Over the next four years we plan to release four Shirts. The first three give bonus/penalties toward the STR, DEX, CON stats and the final year grants +2 Focus (+2 to cast healing spells, cast damage spells, and polymorph damage.) At the end of the four years, all four can be combined so they make one Shirt that gives +2 to all those 3 stats and has the Focus power.

The 4-Year Shirt is not an Eldritch item. We are capping the Eldritch set at five. It is time to forge a new line of multi-year tokens that hopefully will use hidden RFID chips to make some cool effects for the players. Any "set" benefits won't be manifest for many years (since it takes at least two of these multi-year tokens), but I would not rule out giving the first "Arcanum" multi-year token (light purple token that's coming in four years) a cool little RFID chip enabled ability. I have so many cool ideas."

This doesn't specifically say it will be the Shirt of Focus, but what is described is the shirt of focus. I am not certain if Jeff said elsewhere that it specifically will be a reprint of the Shirt of Focus or not.

The tokens entry specifically for the multi-year tokens includes a specific reference to a +3 focus with a penalty to match the other three shirts. It seems to be the more accurate updated entry.

I assume specifically due to the initial suggestion being a match to the shirt of focus so the new one will be better with a drawback

You could be correct or it could be a mistake.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=55&id=249928&start=132#344699
Sounds like he specifically like the idea of reprinting the shirt of focus. I imagine this is one of those things that no one is really certain on any more not even Jeff...lol.

jedibcg banjo number 5 wrote: You could be correct or it could be a mistake.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=55&id=249928&start=132#344699
Sounds like he specifically like the idea of reprinting the shirt of focus. I imagine this is one of those things that no one is really certain on any more not even Jeff...lol.

Yay complexity

I'll be curious to see what comes of the final year. It'll be interesting one way or the other

It is my understanding that THIS specific shirt: Shirt of Focus is not a component of the upcoming Arcanum Transmuted shirt.

Is it possible that Jeff could change his mind? Unless you're brand new to TD, I think you know the answer to that question.

Druegar wrote: It is my understanding that THIS specific shirt: Shirt of Focus is not a component of the upcoming Eldritch-likebutthenamehasnotbeenfinalized Transmuted shirt.

Is it possible that Jeff could change his mind? Unless you're brand new to TD, I think you know the answer to that question.

Arcanum is not finalized? Should it be removed from the truedungeon.com/multi-year-tokens page then?

The impression I had was that Shirt of Focus was specifically going to be part of the transmute. Otherwise, there was no point in even talking about Shirt of Focus in the first place.

Also, a replacement for Shirt of Focus doesn't make a lot of sense mechanically. If +3 to everything with some irrelevant drawback like -5 HP, then it's just strictly better. If +3 to some spells and not others, then doesn't make a lot of sense as part of the transmute. If same effect with different name, waste of design space and destroys the value of Shirt of Focus for what seems like no good reason. Can preserve value by doing a trade-in, but what's the point of that? Can just reprint the token if it's going to be the same mechanic.

Sure, Shirt of the Oaf and/or the transmute destroys value of +2 STR shirt, but, I suppose, it can be argued that purple can be better than blue and certainly post-Eldritch can be better than blue.

But, yes, just because something is brought up doesn't mean it will turn out as people expect.

Ian Lee wrote: The impression I had was that Shirt of Focus was specifically going to be part of the transmute. Otherwise, there was no point in even talking about Shirt of Focus in the first place.

I had the same impression, that the shirt of focus would be reprinted as the final token.

Ian Lee wrote: Also, a replacement for Shirt of Focus doesn't make a lot of sense mechanically. If +3 to everything with some irrelevant drawback like -5 HP, then it's just strictly better. If +3 to some spells and not others, then doesn't make a lot of sense as part of the transmute. If same effect with different name, waste of design space and destroys the value of Shirt of Focus for what seems like no good reason. Can preserve value by doing a trade-in, but what's the point of that? Can just reprint the token if it's going to be the same mechanic.

+1, agree to all of the above.

Ian Lee wrote: Sure, Shirt of the Oaf and/or the transmute destroys value of +2 STR shirt, but, I suppose, it can be argued that purple can be better than blue and certainly post-Eldritch can be better than blue.

I generally expect URs to be better than 4*s, so IMO, its OK that shirt of the Oaf is better.

The current page on the shirt multi-year says it will be a +3 spells shirt. It'd be very shitty as a spellcaster for all other classes to get a +3 -1 shirt UR and the spellcasters to be left out.

I'd be very upset if the currently planned UR shirt was abandoned as it'd be yet another time slider characters were given strictly superior token options for no reason. That's already caused quite a bit of conflict over the years. I'd suggest printing the +3 focus shirt as mentioned in the existing page.

I don't see +3 Str or Dex or Con being clearly superior to +2 to spells/polydmg.

Then, the end product is +2 to physical stats and +2 to spells/polydmg.

Also, what would the -1 be? -1 to saves? -1 to Int/Wis/Cha that don't matter except in some convoluted scenario?

The heading on the Store page still references the 2020 token collection.
(The text in the paragraph below correctly references 2021.)

ETA: I have no idea why it posted multiple copies of the screenshot. Sorry.