TOPIC: 2026 Transmute Token Ideas

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I too would like to see the additional damage on the crossbows.

Though it might be too much with a x3 crit.

Without an expanded crit range, I think maybe +5 is the way to go. I don't think 3x crit is enough to make up for that.

It’s really easy to add +hit for ranged attacks, so from that perspective I don’t see a particular reason to make the crossbow +5

My point was more that the reason Io's bow isn't +5 is because it had an expanded crit range.

Having both the 3x Crit Multiplier and +5 to hit feels like having cake and eating it too.

The think main draw of this token is the 3x crit.

Which version of this token would people prefer:

A. +5 to hit
B. +4 to hit and 3x crit multiplier
C. +4 to hit and 19+ crit range

I'm pretty sure most would prefer B.

If most would not prefer B, then perhaps we should go back to the drawing board entirely with a different legendary, as it seems the main feature of this weapon isn't what most prefer.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I too would like to see the additional damage on the crossbows.

Though it might be too much with a x3 crit.

Without an expanded crit range, I think maybe +5 is the way to go. I don't think 3x crit is enough to make up for that.

It’s really easy to add +hit for ranged attacks, so from that perspective I don’t see a particular reason to make the crossbow +5

My point was more that the reason Io's bow isn't +5 is because it had an expanded crit range.

+5 on the to hit is one of the main reasons Legendary weapons are worth the investment of resources. That said I main rogue so I’ll likely get the legendary crossbow assuming it is not nerfed somewhere in the process.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I too would like to see the additional damage on the crossbows.

Though it might be too much with a x3 crit.

Without an expanded crit range, I think maybe +5 is the way to go. I don't think 3x crit is enough to make up for that.

It’s really easy to add +hit for ranged attacks, so from that perspective I don’t see a particular reason to make the crossbow +5

My point was more that the reason Io's bow isn't +5 is because it had an expanded crit range.

Having both the 3x Crit Multiplier and +5 to hit feels like having cake and eating it too.

The main draw of this token is the 3x crit.

Which version of this token would people prefer:

A. +5 to hit
B. +4 to hit and 3x crit multiplier
C. +4 to hit and 19+ crit range

I'm pretty sure most would prefer B.

If most would not prefer B, then perhaps we should go back to the drawing board entirely with a different legendary, as I thought the whole point here was to provide access to a 3x crit multiplier weapon.

Of the options you layout clearly B is what I would go with. But I really feel all legendary weapons going forward should be +5 as part of the legendary starting point. Just my personal opinion though.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I too would like to see the additional damage on the crossbows.

Though it might be too much with a x3 crit.

Without an expanded crit range, I think maybe +5 is the way to go. I don't think 3x crit is enough to make up for that.

It’s really easy to add +hit for ranged attacks, so from that perspective I don’t see a particular reason to make the crossbow +5

My point was more that the reason Io's bow isn't +5 is because it had an expanded crit range.

Having both the 3x Crit Multiplier and +5 to hit feels like having cake and eating it too.

The think main draw of this token is the 3x crit.

Which version of this token would people prefer:

A. +5 to hit
B. +4 to hit and 3x crit multiplier
C. +4 to hit and 19+ crit range

I'm pretty sure most would prefer B.

If most would not prefer B, then perhaps we should go back to the drawing board entirely with a different legendary, as it seems the main feature of this weapon isn't what most prefer.

I wasn't sure if this was enough. I get that 3x and +5 may be too much.

I dont know if the extra undead/were damage might be the right balance. It can even be 5 or 10

x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

I'm not sure. I think +2 or +3 would be right with those, despite the fact that most would have a class neck in addition to this legendary.

Also,.following bow, relic should be +2, legendary +4

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

I'm not sure. I think +2 or +3 would be right with those, despite the fact that most would have a class neck in addition to this legendary.

Also,.following bow, relic should be +2, legendary +4

I would agree if there was a dexterity or wisdom minimum inline with Thor's.

edwin wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

I'm not sure. I think +2 or +3 would be right with those, despite the fact that most would have a class neck in addition to this legendary.

Also,.following bow, relic should be +2, legendary +4

I would agree if there was a dexterity or wisdom minimum inline with Thor's.

Or.Io's bow

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

I'm not sure. I think +2 or +3 would be right with those, despite the fact that most would have a class neck in addition to this legendary.

Also,.following bow, relic should be +2, legendary +4

I would agree if there was a dexterity or wisdom minimum inline with Thor's.

Or.Io's bow

The x3 crit for all attacks that crit is a biggie. Drop the x3 and make it +4 and crit range of 19-20.

edwin wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

I'm not sure. I think +2 or +3 would be right with those, despite the fact that most would have a class neck in addition to this legendary.

Also,.following bow, relic should be +2, legendary +4

I would agree if there was a dexterity or wisdom minimum inline with Thor's.

Or.Io's bow

The x3 crit for all attacks that crit is a biggie. Drop the x3 and make it +4 and crit range of 19-20.

Currently the relic bow is worse than assassins crossbow. And if the goal is to have the legendary be just a better version of assassins crossbow then a +2 or +3 to hit and damage seems in line with what legendary’s should be.

edwin wrote: x3 is the main power and is extremely powerful in person for a good slider. A +1 legendary with x3 and crit range of 19-20 is more inline with what a legendary should be.

3x Crit is powerful enough in and of itself. For legendary power levels, please reference Surtr’s, redoubt items, or Odin’s. No need to expand the Crit range of top of it - let other tokens synergize with it to get it there.

A +3 relic with a neat ability upgrading into a +4 legendary with an upgraded version of that cool ability seems an appropriate progression. It works for Io's, it works for Kilgore's.

As far as the x3 crit damage vs expanded crit range discussion goes: having the x3 crit damage feels like the entire point. I have the impression that a large part of the purpose of this item is to give a "fixed" version of the assassin crossbow rather than a straight reprint in a year where it would be thematically appropriate.