TOPIC: Final Mythic Token Recipes & Images

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

Marc D wrote: Given the level of investment for these tokens, is the text or tokendb link needed? Could these just dedicate the full space to the image like tokendb.com/token/eldest-orb-of-dragonkind/

I agree except for the coin. I would know what it is in coaching but it’s best to have text on it for the newer coaches. Since these are not in the treasure mix we don’t need to worry about players getting confused.

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

My plan is to make a coin but I’ll do the math on everything once the recipe is completed. I’d definitely be making it if I had the gold laying around.
I think I can come up with the rest before it comes out but that gold might be what puts this out of reach.

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

And having the token means it can be distributed in treasure boxes!

Wayne Rhodes wrote: ... Also you ignored the real point I was making which is you need to buy that many 8ks to get the gold you need to make this if you are not just crazy lucky on your gold pulls. And I see no reason it should be 100k.

I think this is the core of our disagreement - because no, _you/anyone_ absolutely do not need to buy five $8k orders to get the gold you need to make a Safehold 1 and Coin of Wealth.

It's like saying "you" need to buy an $8k order to get a single particular Onyx Ultra Rare, your "you" need to buy a $250 bundle to get a single particular Ultra Rare. No. Those are some ways you could acquire those things, but not the only, or best way.

If your point is only "one Safehold I and one Coin of Wealth will consume in their recipe the GP tokens distributed by around five $8k purchases" - then say that. Don't say "you need to buy five $8k orders to get the gold required."

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

And having the token means it can be distributed in treasure boxes!

Unless something changed I am unaware of it was said safeholds and mythics would not be in the treasure generator. I wasn’t talking about the 100k bar if that is what you thought I ment.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote: ... Also you ignored the real point I was making which is you need to buy that many 8ks to get the gold you need to make this if you are not just crazy lucky on your gold pulls. And I see no reason it should be 100k.

I think this is the core of our disagreement - because no, _you/anyone_ absolutely do not need to buy five $8k orders to get the gold you need to make a Safehold 1 and Coin of Wealth.

It's like saying "you" need to buy an $8k order to get a single particular Onyx Ultra Rare, your "you" need to buy a $250 bundle to get a single particular Ultra Rare. No. Those are some ways you could acquire those things, but not the only, or best way.

If your point is only "one Safehold I and one Coin of Wealth will consume in their recipe the GP tokens distributed by around five $8k purchases" - then say that. Don't say "you need to buy five $8k orders to get the gold required."

My point is it’s very expensive in gold.

I use the 8k example because there are 3 was to get gold in the game
1. Get lucky and pull it out of treasure and I don’t think I have pull 100k in gold total in the 9 years I have been playing.
2. Pulling from packs/large order/auctions
3. Secondary market which works if all the gold doesn’t get wiped out and skyrocket like enchanters munitions. But fundamentally the secondary market comes from token orders and lucky pulls.

Honestly if the coin cost every trade good including the wish ring (along with the beads, and avarice) I would just do a 8k order next year and be done with it.

Edit.
Yes I forgot the Golden Fleece being required.

I don’t think the coin is available until 2027 but I’ll go record right now as saying if the put out a incentive for the 2027 set that instead of getting any trade goods (wish ring, gold, standard trade goods) and they send you a token that is everything you need for the coins transmute minus the avarice, beads, fleece, and mythic transmuter. Then I will buy a 8k on 2027 preorder.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

And having the token means it can be distributed in treasure boxes!

Unless something changed I am unaware of it was said safeholds and mythics would not be in the treasure generator. I wasn’t talking about the 100k bar if that is what you thought I ment.

I was saying the existence of a 100k bar means a 100k bar can show up in the treasure mix.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

And having the token means it can be distributed in treasure boxes!

Unless something changed I am unaware of it was said safeholds and mythics would not be in the treasure generator. I wasn’t talking about the 100k bar if that is what you thought I ment.

I was saying the existence of a 100k bar means a 100k bar can show up in the treasure mix.

On that we agree

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
It seems unnecessary to to create a brand new Trade Good (100k Ore) for 1 recipe. It adds an extra transmute into the process as I need to create the Ore before transmuting. Now you might be able to get away with only having a few in stock because there won't be that many made, but then some people might be waiting for a while to build their coin.

I think the $100,000 Bar is cool and down the road it could be used in other recipes. Don't see the harm in having a 100K Bar. I'm not sure I will go for making a Coin but I do have a lot of gold. I'd make some of the 100K Bars just to have them.

And having the token means it can be distributed in treasure boxes!

Unless something changed I am unaware of it was said safeholds and mythics would not be in the treasure generator. I wasn’t talking about the 100k bar if that is what you thought I ment.

I was saying the existence of a 100k bar means a 100k bar can show up in the treasure mix.

Oh boy. Forgot about that. On second thought don't make a 100K Bar.

My understanding is that Coin of Wealth gives you the following over existing TEs:

+1-3 treasure (likely just +1)
Frees up 1 charm and 3 bead slots

This doesn't seem great compared to the other mythics, nevermind the much more expensive recipe.

BasicBraining wrote: My understanding is that Coin of Wealth gives you the following over existing TEs:

+1-3 treasure (likely just +1)
Frees up 1 charm and 3 bead slots

This doesn't seem great compared to the other mythics, nevermind the much more expensive recipe.

Unless somethings changed doesn't it also require the safehold 1 that frees up the 3 nugget slots.