TOPIC: 2025 Rare Tokens to Printer

OrionW wrote:

Endgame wrote:

OrionW wrote: Druegar thank you for the clarification which is what I expected and Ho-Yi Fung makes my argument about collecting these over seven years 100% correct. The power level of this rare token is too low, and hopefully the next one can be made better.

Surely what you meant is that the power level is too high and they should continue to drop over further years. I will bring 4 trinkets with me when I play Druid (slotless is just better than slotted Iktomi's) much like I bring 4 throwing hammers on every run.

The hammers are 5.33 average damage, they don't convert my focus into extra damage.

Surely that is not what I meant. If you have to collect something over many years they should be special.

Edit: and let’s be clear if you bring these over Iktomi’s it is because Iktomi’s needs to be rebalanced… there isn’t another class legendary you would swap out for a slotless item.

Why do you have to collect something over seven years?

If you want to use a trinket in each room you will need seven different trinkets.

OrionW wrote: If you want to use a trinket in each room you will need seven different trinkets.

That’s how you read this?

“Even though each specific trinket token may only be used once per adventure, you may bring as many trinket tokens as you like into the adventure--same-named or differently named, it doesn't matter. E.g., if you have seven physical trinkets, you could use one trinket in each room.”

AAckeret wrote:

OrionW wrote: If you want to use a trinket in each room you will need seven different trinkets.

That’s how you read this?

“Even though each specific trinket token may only be used once per adventure, you may bring as many trinket tokens as you like into the adventure--same-named or differently named, it doesn't matter. E.g., if you have seven physical trinkets, you could use one trinket in each room.”

I read that as saying you could have huge stack of the same trinket and use them in all the rooms.

Mike Steele wrote: Druegar, does it need some sort of clarification that if you have a stack of 10 Trinkets of Trollform and use each of them in a single room, you don't heal 20 points at the end of the room?

This is already covered in tokendb

When exiting the room in which the owner used this token to polymorph, the owner heals 2 HP. This is considered a Regeneration effect and cannot restore a dead character to life. This specific Regeneration effect does not stack with itself, thus activating more than one Trinket of Trollform in a single room does not increase the Regeneration amount gained.

BasicBraining wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Druegar, does it need some sort of clarification that if you have a stack of 10 Trinkets of Trollform and use each of them in a single room, you don't heal 20 points at the end of the room?

This is already covered in tokendb

When exiting the room in which the owner used this token to polymorph, the owner heals 2 HP. This is considered a Regeneration effect and cannot restore a dead character to life. This specific Regeneration effect does not stack with itself, thus activating more than one Trinket of Trollform in a single room does not increase the Regeneration amount gained.

Thanks, I must have missed that, or maybe it was changed after I looked at it.

OrionW wrote:

Endgame wrote:

OrionW wrote: Your argument in a year when the DK Helm was printed rings false. Why is it that a relic+ level helm was printed at the UR level for some classes, while at the same time this item was reduced?

DK Helm is just a class restricted UR crown of might - +0.5 hit and damage for a small subset of classes. You can try to deflect, but you'd be better off picking a token of actual concern.

First off that is false… Strength is better and can result in a full +1 hit and +1 to damage - the game has no half bonuses. This is also before you add the AC to the helm.

Here is a relic helm to compare it to:
tokendb.com/token/blessed-redoubt-helm/

You're right, there are no half-bonuses. I already have an even STR score; this helm only grants +1 to-hit +1 damage to me. Therefore, it's clearly just +2 AC over the Crown of Might (what's hitting with a Thrown weapon anyways?), and only if I play one of the classes listed.

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OrionW wrote: Here we had one comp in Trinket of Trollform and this item is clearly not at the same level of power. In fact it looks to be a step back from where polymorph potions were, in that they at least gave special abilities.

Trollform's special ability: unconditionally deals extra (untyped/Slashing) damage; and also, regen 2 HP at the end of the room.

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OrionW wrote: You can dress your arguments up in pretty words, but the inconsistency in how they are applied shows the true motivations, which seem to be that a lot of players that main Clerics want to see the Druid class nerfed.

Look, if the only thing I wanted was for Druids to get nerfed, would I have complained about Keen Polymorph being removed in favour of Polymorph into Bear? (Unfortunately, that thread has since been deleted, so I can't prove this statement, but I did raise it as a concern.) Or, if I didn't care about keeping parity at each rarity level, would I not be asking for Holy Symbol of Thor to do more that just +1 Melee damage (and +12 +spell damage, once per combat, against Undead, if I have a spare Free Action that isn't already being used to buff or heal)?

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OrionW wrote: Druegar thank you for the clarification which is what I expected and Ho-Yi Fung makes my argument about collecting these over seven years 100% correct. The power level of this rare token is too low, and hopefully the next one can be made better.

That's what you read from this (emphasis added)?

Druegar wrote: Trinket of Trollform now contains this paragraph:
Even though each specific trinket token may only be used once per adventure, you may bring as many trinket tokens as you like into the adventure--same-named or differently named, it doesn't matter. E.g., if you have seven physical trinkets, you could use one trinket in each room.

It seems pretty clear to me, as long as you have seven physical Trinkets (same-named or differently named), you can now Polymorph in every combat; i.e., it support my interpretation, not yours.

OrionW wrote: If you want to use a trinket in each room you will need seven different trinkets.

Do you still think this?

If so can you explain what part of the new ruling indicates you can’t use the 2025 Trinket in each room, as long as you have at least 1 physical copy of the token per room?

Or by “different trinkets” do you mean “multiple physical copies of the same token?”

I made a new thread to discuss specifics of how trinkets work. Maybe we bring this thread (the one you're reading now) back on topic.