TOPIC: 2025 Rare Tokens

Matthew Hayward wrote: Monks can already use numerous rare bracers that give +2 to melee damage unconditionally (like Bracers of Fire).

Matthew Hayward wrote: Compare with 2014 bracer of the Asp which provides Monks with average of 7.5 damage and no to-hit bonus. This token is basically the exact same token, but it doesn't deal poison damage and has +1 to AC.

Ah, I had actually forgotten about the unconditional damage bracers -- I saw +4 unarmed FoB, looked up existing Bracer weapons (since that's what this effectively would be), saw it was effectively the same as putting Bracer of the Asp in both weapons sliders (as opposed to just one), and thought "this token is two 2014 tokens rolled into one; must be too powerful".

In light of this, +4 still seems a tiny bit high, but not unreasonable.

Monk Bracers: I think these should get a different name. While experienced players can look at the token and understand that any class can use them due to the lack of class limitations, a new player might look at them and think they are Monk only.

The Earcuff of Endurance is shown as converting to DP instead of PS.

Linked Shirt of the Valkyrie: This seems overpowered. If two more more party members equip this (which won't be hard to do), it is equivalent to the Exalted Shirt of Blessed Strength. A Rare should not be the same as an Exalted transmute.

Shirt of Humble Luck: I like this concept, it might be fun to have a few other "humble luck" tokens that are more powerful than normal Rares as long as you only equip C/U/R tokens. Although maybe just a couple more, if there were too many people might have a disincentive eventually to move beyond C/U/R tokens. Maybe one a year?

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: See blue for replies

Amulet of the Norns:
How does this interact with the Arcane Set, if your very first Spell of the game is a 1st level Spell? The two powers who not stack for 1st level spells.

Ioun Stone Jasper Cube:
Can this be made of Sunstone instead, to match the proposed Common IS Sunstone Crystal and Uncommon IS Sunstone Orb? We changed it for reasons related to the different power feel.

Scroll Sif's Shout:
This also is available to Cleric and Druid, but the proposed Uncommon Scroll Ymir's Cough is restricted to just Bard and Wizards. Is this discrepancy intended? Yes. Thanks for asking, though.

Trinket of Bearform:
A slotless token that changes your average damage to 9 as an Instant Action feels too high. For comparison, the highest weapon damage, and the highest weapon damage available to Druid is:
+1 Sea Raider Spear (6.6); +1 Sea Raider Battle Club (5.375).
Sea Raider Great Axe (5.6); Sea Raider Battle Club (4.375)
Sea Raider Axe (4.625); Sea Raider War Club (4.5).
That means, this is a slotless token that, as an Instant Action, increases your damage by ~3.5-4.5, depending on your base weapon. In comparison, a Barbarian can Rage to increase damage by 4, but as a Free Action. Does it make sense to give a Slotless that does the same thing to the jack-of-all-trades?
At this point, I'd rather just go back to Polymorph Potions until class card redesign is complete, and all of us get a clearer picture as to how the new Polymorphing Druid will look. We cannot begin balance without knowing. If necessary, issue an erratum on Trollform (like you did with chargeless wands) to have that be turned in like a Potion to clear the board, then start designing shiny Baubles instead. Thanks for the input.

Beertram wrote: The Earcuff of Endurance is shown as converting to DP instead of PS.

Ten points for Beertramdor!

Thanks all! I made some changes to the Bracer name, made another Transmute and hopefully fixed the Fang.

For the fang, a good fix would be to change the language. As is, it isn't clear and could be overpowering.

How about
"If wielder slides a "20," monster gets 1 fewer attack/round (min 1 attack, no stacking)"

Clarification should be put out on tokendb if the enchanter's whetstone works on trinkets. It doesn't work on polymorph potions but is silent on trinkets at present.

Fred K wrote: Clarification should be put out on tokendb if the enchanter's whetstone works on trinkets. It doesn't work on polymorph potions but is silent on trinkets at present.

Enchanter's whetstone works on "Rare Weapons"

Trinkets are classified as "weapons".

The Trinket of Trollform shows up in the list of tokens that the whetstone affects on TokenDB.

What more do you want?

The weapon is in fact the baton of Focus as far as I know. The whetstone doesn’t check your slotless tokens to add +1/+1. The trinket just replaces the damage wheel on the baton of Focus when sliding.

Should be the same deal using iktomi’s with a rare weapon