TOPIC: Clarification on Grind ghosting

Economy build TD is to get a stalker set, get free weapon from TD, and do grind. You get 25 treasure and a completion token. If you signed up for Crimson you would pay the same and only get 3 treasure.

While no public rule for GHC Grind has been stated, i wouldn't just assume anyone is ghosting a Grind ticket. Could it happen? Yes. Is it happening? Only people who bought the tickets know. Currently, I'm not aware of anyone planning to ghost a Grind slot.

There was certainly pent-up demand for the return of Grind. Guaranteed full treasure probably wasn't necessary, but yeah, anyone on the fence probably jumped at the chance to play with a build not tied up with treasure enhancers. I know a number of non-VIG people immediately reached out to VIGs to grab tickets for them. I'm sure that was a big part of it. At this point, I sort of feel like it is what it is. I'm sure some lessons were learned for the future.

I hope newer players didn't get Grind tickets just because it was a better deal on treasure (because, yes, clearly 25 treasure is better than 3), then get into Grind and find out it's not at all what they expected from True Dungeon. Grind is fun if that's what you're expecting, but, I don't think that it's very representative of what True Dungeon is, overall.

Definitely pent up demand combined with a small number of runs. I'm happy to see it back and would be happy to volunteer to help expand it (either at GHC or elsewhere.)

A suggestion for the future would be to nix the treasure draws unless the grind mechanics made it where you lose treasure as you go and it was likely that you'd have none at the end. There could be bragging rights for who survived with the most treasure at the end

Fred

Yeah, I'm fine without playing Grind. I still hope this sort of thing never happens in the future. I hope lessons were learned, and I definitely hope this isn't setting a really, really bad precedent.

Fred K wrote: .... the grind mechanics made it where you lose treasure as you go and it was likely that you'd have none at the end. There could be bragging rights for who survived with the most treasure at the end
Fred

You know. That's a really intriguing idea, and I like it. But, it might not decrease the demand much, if at all.

I don't know a single person playing grind who is ghosting. I'd be very surprised if there were any being ghosted at all, and ridiculously surprised if the amount ghosted could not be counted on one hand. The vets who bought these tickets want to play the grind. I really don't think that the amount of treasure given has any affect whatsoever on the demand in this case. For most of the vets, treasure at this point is next to meaningless. Also because the tickets sold out so quickly, I believe it's highly doubtful that any newbies got any of these tickets.

I think this is an issue of people imagining problems where there are none. I think it was Bob Chasan who said something like "People on this forum like to invent problems due to a highly myopic view." Man that Bob is a smart guy

kurtreznor wrote: Yup, assuming it isn't possible to meet the demand as presented, I would have preferred a flat 1 treasure token and no TE allowed like previous grinds AND the high price.
Maybe that would have been enough to keep some runs available for us non-VIGs.

+1. One treasure draw max and no TE's like in years past.

jpotter wrote: I don't know a single person playing grind who is ghosting. I'd be very surprised if there were any being ghosted at all, and ridiculously surprised if the amount ghosted could not be counted on one hand. The vets who bought these tickets want to play the grind. I really don't think that the amount of treasure given has any affect whatsoever on the demand in this case. For most of the vets, treasure at this point is next to meaningless. Also because the tickets sold out so quickly, I believe it's highly doubtful that any newbies got any of these tickets.

I think this is an issue of people imagining problems where there are none. I think it was Bob Chasan who said something like "People on this forum like to invent problems due to a highly myopic view." Man that Bob is a smart guy

I don't think treasure draws for most TD players are ever meaningless.

Mike Steele wrote:

jpotter wrote: I don't know a single person playing grind who is ghosting. I'd be very surprised if there were any being ghosted at all, and ridiculously surprised if the amount ghosted could not be counted on one hand. The vets who bought these tickets want to play the grind. I really don't think that the amount of treasure given has any affect whatsoever on the demand in this case. For most of the vets, treasure at this point is next to meaningless. Also because the tickets sold out so quickly, I believe it's highly doubtful that any newbies got any of these tickets.

I think this is an issue of people imagining problems where there are none. I think it was Bob Chasan who said something like "People on this forum like to invent problems due to a highly myopic view." Man that Bob is a smart guy

I don't think treasure draws for most TD players are ever meaningless.

Precisely. Treasure draws are pretty meaningless if you only get uncommons and rares, but when there's a chance at Relics and Legendaries, treasure draws are never going to be meaningless.

My group is a huge True Grind fans. Our thoughts are only one treasure token and no ghosting. True Grind is for the folks that want to just slay monsters not for treasure or ghosting.

Kaledor wrote: My group is a huge True Grind fans. Our thoughts are only one treasure token and no ghosting. True Grind is for the folks that want to just slay monsters not for treasure or ghosting.

Tickets are so limited for True Grind I think it would be a good idea to not allow treasure enhancing tokens. That way, it would be limited to the people that are playing it because they enjoy it and not because it's a cheaper ticket for max treasure pulls.