TOPIC: Possible Omni Issues

The Orb/Cube recipe plan as I understand it is this:

If a viable path to create a legendary is in print, or out of print for 1 year or less, Orbs and Cubes cannot be used.

So, if the relic recipe for a Muks is still available, you must use the traditional recipe.

Since the totem bits were in last year's treasure and not available anymore, Orbs could be used to make the Totem of Heroism.

Updated recipes that include Orbs and Cubes will be modified and posted in Jan of each year with any other Legenday recipes that will be updated/modified. This should coincide with recipes that "fall off" or go out of print in December when we retire the previous year's tokens.

So, if you want the new legendary, make it or wait 2 years for an Orb/Cube recipe to get posted.

Of course, Jeff may change this later, but that's the plan as of last week.

Thanks for the reply on the latest thinking!

I honestly think it's fine either way. Excluding in-print recipes makes sense to provide a window of exclusivity. Including in-print recipes would let someone pay extra to skip ahead - not much different than lots of other games.

And if someone does make a bunch of cubes as a hedge against recipe inflation, I'd say the cubes did their job and sucked excess trade goods from the economy.

For in print URs used in relic/legendary recipes available, if Omni is roughly the same price as a PYP, in my opinion the Omni at the same price is more valuable than the transmute PYP.

Most of the times, the transmute UR is the “less desirable” UR from the set, so generally it will be one I am not jumping to equip and use while “working” on the transmute, it is functionally as equippable as the Omni (not at all equippable). Whereas the Omni has the added value that I could use it in this recipe or I could use it in a different recipe. I worry that for Onyx 8k’s this will devalue the transmute URs that are less desirable if the transmute price of Omni is around $100. I think it either needs to be $150 or restricted to only legendaries released 2 or more years ago and not useful for transmuting to get relics, since those always are always using in print URs (and when they use OOP URs, they are intentional and would not be ideal to replace with Omnis).

I agree about the problem Omnis create with Charm of Avarice and Widseth’s recipes. They may be at risk of creating problems with the Mythic Avarice recipe depending on how that one shakes out, given the complexities of Charm of Avarice recipes. I fully expect in 2027, they will see a weird market effect being used in the Uber Avarice recipe in place of the then out of print 2023 Bead of Bounty, an out of print treasure enhancer transmute ingredient.

While not going into the specifics of recipes--because we're not discussing those in this thread--the intent is to make the Omnis very expensive--way more expensive that the ingredient they're replacing. Omnis are not intended to be an easy substitute. They're intended to be a way for folks to make old recipes for which the ingredients are long out of print and near impossible to find.

Thank you for that clarity! That helps better understand how to view these tokens.

Do we know if Omnis will ever be offered in a condensed 8k order as a reward, available in treasure boxes, available in special gift bags like Golden Ticket runs, Patron runs, Skull/Ring Con, Volunteer rewards, etc? It’s okay if the answer at this time is “undecided”

Undecided, but I suspect they won't be available other ways.

Druegar wrote: While not going into the specifics of recipes--because we're not discussing those in this thread--the intent is to make the Omnis very expensive--way more expensive that the ingredient they're replacing. Omnis are not intended to be an easy substitute. They're intended to be a way for folks to make old recipes for which the ingredients are long out of print and near impossible to find.

Thanks for this information. Glad to hear this is the intended direction on these.

Anthony Barnstable wrote: For in print URs used in relic/legendary recipes available, if Omni is roughly the same price as a PYP, in my opinion the Omni at the same price is more valuable than the transmute PYP.

Most of the times, the transmute UR is the “less desirable” UR from the set, so generally it will be one I am not jumping to equip and use while “working” on the transmute, it is functionally as equippable as the Omni (not at all equippable). Whereas the Omni has the added value that I could use it in this recipe or I could use it in a different recipe. I worry that for Onyx 8k’s this will devalue the transmute URs that are less desirable if the transmute price of Omni is around $100. I think it either needs to be $150 or restricted to only legendaries released 2 or more years ago and not useful for transmuting to get relics, since those always are always using in print URs (and when they use OOP URs, they are intentional and would not be ideal to replace with Omnis).

I agree about the problem Omnis create with Charm of Avarice and Widseth’s recipes. They may be at risk of creating problems with the Mythic Avarice recipe depending on how that one shakes out, given the complexities of Charm of Avarice recipes. I fully expect in 2027, they will see a weird market effect being used in the Uber Avarice recipe in place of the then out of print 2023 Bead of Bounty, an out of print treasure enhancer transmute ingredient.

Except it's already been stated that the plan is you can't use them in recipes until two years after they're out of print and they won't work for CoA

Rather than trying to make a rule that handles every case and preventing loopholes and arguing with every new formite, just list the tokens in each legendary recipe that the Omnis can sub for. Be explicit. Every year that something goes OOP, or comes in to print, update the two TokenDB entries.