TOPIC: Possible Omni Issues

Tyraël The Just wrote:

Kusig wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: That Omni can only be used to fill legendary recipes helps protect from some problems, like Arcanum or Enlightenment or other non-timeless or even timeless Safehold. Legendary sort of top level of what can be made.

However, when Mythic becomes a thing, then there's a level beyond legendary. Sure, from a technical standpoint, not likely to be a problem, but there's going to be this dissonance of perception as to why Omni helps make chaff like legendaries and not stuff of real value.

From what was previously stated by Jeff, at this time all Mythics will require a legendary to craft. Meaning they are part of the greater scheme in making the stuff of real value.

Real value is both subjective and not. If they way all look at things is that only top Tier have real value than that excludes over 90% of all tokens: when mythic is release it will allow many to build over time to a new level, but that doesn’t mean that with the release of Omni orb and Cube that all legendary’s will make all legendary’s worthless. Yes it will effect value as now all will be made accessible as never before, but we still don’t know the requirements to make these Omni items. And even if they are easier compared to before that is what the community asked for. I think they need to be worded carefully as to exclude everything except the crafting of Legendary items. ( excluding Eldritch, arcanum, paragon and other speciality items in the future ) it should be clearly stated for instance, you can make a bunch of the Omni and expect to craft a ROSP or RoSEC. The more clear and concise we are at explaining function and restrictions of the Omni items, we can then ensure all players go into these processes without the ability to have ill or hurt feelings not being able to do something. Unfortunately in todays day in age, if we don’t say “ you can’t make these “ there will always be others who try to find loop holes

The transmute window on the rod and SRoEC have been closed for years. Why would someone get confused they could create something no longer transmuteable?

Personally, I don’t think many will, but if I were to go to Gen Con and people tell me that new Omni orbs grant access to legendary’s that I never could before, due to the tokens no longer being in print, as well as new mythic tokens coming in a few years that some require these Legendary tokens ( girdle and Totem of Avarice would be examples ) … honestly if I didn’t have any of the older Eldritch items and I wasn’t part of the forum, the 1st question I’d ask is if it also unlock the Eldritch items. This is what I would do based off being off the forum discussions and having limited information.

Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

I don’t think it will be any problem at all. My guess is since the Omni Orb is replacing UR or lower that it will probably be about $100 in goods each. If so then $4000 for a totem seems like it will not be a real problem.

Druegar wrote: In another thread, Ho-Yi Fung said:

Can an Omni Orb be used in place of an Exalted (4-star) transmute? As of writing, this only applies to the Steelclad Cloak used to make Aron's Sunhide Robe.
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Widseth's Legendary Lute has two recipes. Can the Omni Orb be used in either? If so, keep the following in mind when determining the recipes:
Recipe 1 requires an additional: 5 AI 5 AP 10 DP 8 DS 10 EM 1 MH 7 MS 7 PS
Recipe 2 requires an additional: 1 Orb 1 EB

Can y'all think of any other potentially sticky areas where allowing the use of Omni Orbs and/or Omni Cubes may have unforeseen consequences?

Note: This is not a thread about the recipes for the Omnis themselves. That's a discussion for another thread on another day. Please try to stay focused on the aforementioned topic. Thank you.

Maybe just make the Omni Orb only for primary recipes and disallow them for recipe that were made to give an alternative cost, or say Omni Orb is always worth zero points in recipes.

I think the wording “can be used in SOME recipes” and see token.DB for details make it easy to exclude fringe cases like trying to make Eldritch items that are no longer transmutable.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

I don’t think it will be any problem at all. My guess is since the Omni Orb is replacing UR or lower that it will probably be about $100 in goods each. If so then $4000 for a totem seems like it will not be a real problem.

Keep in mind the initial intent of the Omni Orb was to replace UR Tokens, not UR or lower Tokens. I believe that change was made so Jeff wouldn't have to worry about reprinting a bunch of Rare's, for the most part. So a wild card Token that's designed to replace any UR in any Legendary recipe no matter what the year priced at only $100? Boy I hope not.

But still, 4K for a Totem? That's a financial disaster in my book.

Rob F wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

I don’t think it will be any problem at all. My guess is since the Omni Orb is replacing UR or lower that it will probably be about $100 in goods each. If so then $4000 for a totem seems like it will not be a real problem.

Keep in mind the initial intent of the Omni Orb was to replace UR Tokens, not UR or lower Tokens. I believe that change was made so Jeff wouldn't have to worry about reprinting a bunch of Rare's, for the most part. So a wild card Token that's designed to replace any UR in any Legendary recipe no matter what the year priced at only $100? Boy I hope not.

But still, 4K for a Totem? That's a financial disaster in my book.

First off I misunderstood your post as saying people being able to use the orb being disastrous to the market not someone actually doing it being self destructive.

As for the cost of the orb in truth I just was saying $100 as a baseline, not that it should be that exact value. Also think about all the money you need to dump into safeholds to get one as well.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

I don’t think it will be any problem at all. My guess is since the Omni Orb is replacing UR or lower that it will probably be about $100 in goods each. If so then $4000 for a totem seems like it will not be a real problem.

Keep in mind the initial intent of the Omni Orb was to replace UR Tokens, not UR or lower Tokens. I believe that change was made so Jeff wouldn't have to worry about reprinting a bunch of Rare's, for the most part. So a wild card Token that's designed to replace any UR in any Legendary recipe no matter what the year priced at only $100? Boy I hope not.

But still, 4K for a Totem? That's a financial disaster in my book.

First off I misunderstood your post as saying people being able to use the orb being disastrous to the market not someone actually doing it being self destructive.

As for the cost of the orb in truth I just was saying $100 as a baseline, not that it should be that exact value. Also think about all the money you need to dump into safeholds to get one as well.

I don't think you have to have a Safehold to get an Omini Orb/Cube. But I could be wrong.

Rob F wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Can 40 Omni items be turned in to create a Totem of Heroism?

Can I use Omni Items to create a Legendary as soon as the recipe is announced, but before the tokens are available?

Turning in 40 Omni Orbs to craft a Totem, while potentially possible if they can be used for Monster Bits, would probably be a financially disastrous decision.

I don’t think it will be any problem at all. My guess is since the Omni Orb is replacing UR or lower that it will probably be about $100 in goods each. If so then $4000 for a totem seems like it will not be a real problem.

Keep in mind the initial intent of the Omni Orb was to replace UR Tokens, not UR or lower Tokens. I believe that change was made so Jeff wouldn't have to worry about reprinting a bunch of Rare's, for the most part. So a wild card Token that's designed to replace any UR in any Legendary recipe no matter what the year priced at only $100? Boy I hope not.

But still, 4K for a Totem? That's a financial disaster in my book.

First off I misunderstood your post as saying people being able to use the orb being disastrous to the market not someone actually doing it being self destructive.

As for the cost of the orb in truth I just was saying $100 as a baseline, not that it should be that exact value. Also think about all the money you need to dump into safeholds to get one as well.

I don't think you have to have a Safehold to get an Omini Orb/Cube. But I could be wrong.

You might be right about that. It was part of the safehold program at a early stage of development, now it’s listed close to the bottom of the page on the safehold program but doesn’t say what association it has with the safehold program. That would make a big difference.

I don’t see a problem with say someone using an Omni to replace #37 in the totem. For random treasure draw Legendaries there are always going to be a folks that don’t know what they pulled and the community is going to end up with an imbalance.

The way I look at it Marble is the new Orange so letting folks start to build items (legendaries) that are going to be components for new transmute paths is a good thing.

Maybe just a blanket rule that if a legendary has two transmute paths Omni’s must be used in the path with the most TGs and we are good?