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TOPIC: 2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two

2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #13

We've got 2 Troll items in the set, and the Troll Belt is going to be very tough to balance with the Belt of the Brave. Perhaps you could find room for a 3rd Troll item (helm?) and create a set with regen as a bonus?
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #14

Armor of the Ancients & Charm of the Ancients & Ring of the Ancients
'hp' vs 'hps'. On tokendb, 'hp' shows up on 124 tokens. 'hps' only shows up on 4.
+6 to AC & +3 to max hp
+1 to saves & +3 to max hp
+2 to Dexterity & +3 to max hp


Bead of Shared Recovery
Nice name change. 2/3/4 seems like it would have been fine, but 3/4/5 actually make it desirable, I think. 'hp' vs. 'hps' here again. Perhaps replace 'says' with 'determines'. Also, Ho-Yi pointed out that the initials need to be changed, current iteration still features an 'H' for 'Health'.
# of BoSR in party determines how much hp you heal upon entering room:
1-3: +3
4-8: +4
9+: +5


Boots of Defiance
Is this the first token to ever raise both melee & ranged to-hit? Would these boots trigger a round of offensive actions if you died via a failed save rather than fatal damage?
+2 to hit. May perform 1 rd of offensive actions on rd immediately after fatal damage (1/game)

Gloves of the Gladiator
You could use the hand(s) icons here to clean up the formatting. Kind of how you used it on Wings of Wrath.

Robe of the Ancients
Constitution is misspelled.
+3 to AC & +2 to Constitution
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #15

dokkaebi wrote: Boots of Defiance
Is this the first token to ever raise both melee & ranged to-hit?


Technically Stu-Pendous Pendant. Or anything that increases STR and DEX.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #16

Impy wrote: I like a lot of the changes I am seeing, thanks for working with us! I really like the 2H Cloak, and Divine Kilt. Fantastic changes

Things I have a couple thoughts about:
Bead of Shared Recovery: This seems super powerful, it is soothe wounds every room. At max its 300HP every dungeon, I think +1, +2, +3 regen was a fine level. It changes it to 180HP heal for the party over the dungeon, which feels much more reasonable (but still very powerful honestly)

Belt of Troll Strength: This unfortunately has to compete with Belt of the Brave, so rather than trying to compete maybe we pivot. +3 STR, +2 Regen, -1 Will seems pretty cool to me
Edit: I like Endgame's Adding another Troll Item and having a Set Bonus giving regen better than my idea.

Shield of Troll Strength: I'd like to see a Troll based shield give less AC and more STR personally. Feels more troll-like that way to me. So perhaps +2 AC and +3 STR instead?


I second the above comments from Impy.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #17

Bead of Shared Recovery incorrectly uses the old initialism of BoSH.
Cleric main / Druid secondary
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #18

Glad to see another round of tokens! Thanks for being open to our feedback.

Belt of Troll Strength: I understand that UR str belts are in a tight space between Belt of the Brave and the relic giant belt. I think this one will rarely be taken over BotB with the drawback. I have a proposal: "+5 to Strength and -5 resistance to Fire and Acid" (Allowing that resistance can go negative to deal extra damage)

Boots of Defiance: I like the concept, and +2 to hit keeps it relevant if the effect doesn't trigger. However, the token doesn't make clear that you can be healed back, per the FAQ. My shot at wordsmithing this is, "Upon taking fatal damage, allow 1 rd of offensive actions & can receive healing (1/game)"

Greaves of the Stalwart: Wow these are strong! These get me excited for the next Arcanum transmute, though.

Kilt of Divine Healing: I think this much more appealing in the legs slot!

Ring of the Ancients: I think the Dex bonus should be replaced with ranged hit bonus to work with the Mystic Staff in the set. Something like "+2 to hit with Ranged attacks & +3 to max HP"

Robe of the Ancients: I like as-is. Useful for Wizards and Monks.

Troll Shield: I thought it was fine at +3 Str given the class limitations, but this is fine. If there is still a concern that players will swap this out mid game, you could copy Captain's Cup and add "& must equip in the off-hand Melee slot for game"

Wings of Wrath: Really cool token! I wish it were also available to sword-and-board players, so maybe it could say "+3 damage if no melee off-hand item weapon is used"

*Edited WOW feedback for clarification
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #19

Impy wrote: Things I have a couple thoughts about:
Bead of Shared Recovery: This seems super powerful, it is soothe wounds every room. At max its 300HP every dungeon, I think +1, +2, +3 regen was a fine level. It changes it to 180HP heal for the party over the dungeon, which feels much more reasonable (but still very powerful honestly)


With that said I hope Bards get something other than Soothe Wounds during the class redesign since this blows it out the water.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #20

Lequinian wrote: Why plus damage for 2H only for wings?

Powerblade3 wrote: I think the intent is to prevent the wings from becoming too attractive to 1H attackers, especially monk and ranger. That said, I'm personally fine with the wings are is now, though the ability could maybe be 1/room.

Endgame wrote: Exactly this. When that call for token ideas came out, I had been mulling over ideas for how to incorporate another +5 2H damage item into the game for variety. I didn’t come up with anything good, so I didn’t suggest anything. The first version of this token filled in the blank and I like it.


Respectfully, the Wings went from a "everyone should have one in their arsenal" to a Barbarian and 2H Fighter situational token.

12 UR Back item powers:
1) + 2 saves + res in room 1-6.
2) Sanctuary
3) +3 saves
4) Displacement (50% miss)
5) 10 pts Retribution
6) +2 saves + 1 negated attack
7) +4 CON
8) +2 saves, +3 AC
9) +3 saves
10) Fly for 1 rd per combat
11) +3 saves
12) -2 damage

Back items don't do damage. They do saves, misses, and (usually defensive) weird abilities.

+2 saves + fly 1/game is inline (trading +1 save for the extra ability just like shadowskin and butterfly do). It's a reasonable melding of the +3 cloaks and the Fizzy Pack.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #21

Endgame wrote: We've got 2 Troll items in the set, and the Troll Belt is going to be very tough to balance with the Belt of the Brave. Perhaps you could find room for a 3rd Troll item (helm?) and create a set with regen as a bonus?


The third item could even come out next year, so I don't think finding room would even be needed. This might even allow for a larger set with say a 3 item and 5 item set bonus. The only change needed would be that this year's items would need the set bonus text added.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #22

Bead of Shared Recovery is an attractive token that I think would get a lot of folks to keep sets of 10 so that they can share with the party.

I would caution not weakening it much, if at all, so it doesn't go the way of Earcuff of the Phalanx which I don't think I have ever seen used by a party.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #23

This seems like a nice set overall. I'd be more concerned about Bead of Shared Recovery if if wasn't a Bead - as it is, I think it needs to be around this good just to get people to consider using it in such a crowded slot. It's not a small commitment either since the synergy effect will also put additional pressure on classes with class-specific beads (e.g. Bead of Guided Strike, Stalker Bead of Focus).

Wings of Wrath seems very restrictive, but I'd rather that than have it double up for dual puck classes. I do note that Rogue is the only class not to get an UR weapon this year so would again ask that Rogue is added to Acherin's Biting Bow, but I suppose they are at least getting the Libram of Looting reprint which will make any Rogues who don't have a copy extremely happy.

Troll Shield seems better balanced to me now, and I agree that a small set bonus with Belt of Troll Strength would be nice to compete with Belt of the Brave - maybe just an extra +1 to STR if both are equipped.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #24

Endgame wrote: We've got 2 Troll items in the set, and the Troll Belt is going to be very tough to balance with the Belt of the Brave. Perhaps you could find room for a 3rd Troll item (helm?) and create a set with regen as a bonus?


Troll bead of shared recovery?
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