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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #61

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Boots of Leaping Attack. Perhaps limit to one room per Dungeon, same ability as Potion of Leaping Attack.


Like these?
tokendb.com/token/boots-of-bounding/

Can also combine with
tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-faerie/

and this:
tokendb.com/token/gnomish-fizzy-lifting-pack/

To basically always attack fliers.


No, I consider all of those too weak to equip. Instead of once per room, I was proposing unlimited use in one room per Dungeon. Although I'd be OK with no limitations also.

The problem with more than one use at a time (1/room) is it minimizes the need to equip or build for any kind of range attack at all. Ideally, players should be building to make both ranged and melee attacks (spells are a separate discussion), and potion of leaping attack or gloves of flying fist remove that balance.


I agree that balance between melee and missile is important, but there are lots of class builds that thrive by just having good missile attacks, since missile can be used in melee combat, while the reverse is not true. Most combats that require missile, for whatever reason, require missile. While Flying Fist and Leaping Attack get around that, they don't prevent Retribution damage the way actual missile attacks do. The use of Retribution damage also favors missile builds. And, while it's conceivable to have combat setups where melee is REQUIRED and missile doesn't work (high winds, tightly cramped caves), in practice, this has almost never happened in True Dungeon. So, one problem is that great missile builds DON'T really require any balance with melee, 98% of the time.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #62

+2 Axe of Returning for fighters, barbarian, paladin

Either 1H or 2H, complex weapon that returns at the end of the round. Basically a better option for martial classes than +1 Mighty Sling by having an extra bonus to hit and hopefully better damage wheel.

This would help classes that currently have the most difficult time in a ranged only combat, without giving them an automatic pass.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #63

BasicBraining wrote: +2 Axe of Returning for fighters, barbarian, paladin

Either 1H or 2H, complex weapon that returns at the end of the round. Basically a better option for martial classes than +1 Mighty Sling by having an extra bonus to hit and hopefully better damage wheel.

This would help classes that currently have the most difficult time in a ranged only combat, without giving them an automatic pass.

I get where you're going with this, but it needs to walk a pretty tight rope to fit in with the +1 Mighty Longbow.

Maybe drop Barbarian and just let it be a Fighters and Paladin thing?:

+2 Returning Axe
Fighters, Paladin
d6 +2
Returns when thrown

Edit to say, if having a really hard time with ranged only, consider changing build to add dex / + ranged hit? Deadshot goggles and gloves cover a lot of ground on +hit. Or maybe those +str and +dex gloves I suggested in the transmute thread are a really good idea :D
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #64

Endgame wrote: I get where you're going with this, but it needs to walk a pretty tight rope to fit in with the +1 Mighty Longbow.

Maybe drop Barbarian and just let it be a Fighters and Paladin thing?:

+2 Returning Axe
Fighters, Paladin
d6 +2
Returns when thrown

+1 Mighty longbow still has its place, as its usable by STR based rangers and is compatible with numerous ammo tokens. It's also been long out of print, being a 2018 token.

Edit to say, if having a really hard time with ranged only, consider changing build to add dex / + ranged hit?

Barb/fighter/paladin would still need to do this to have a decent chance of hitting on NM. The +1 to hit compared to mighty weapons is just a little extra help. Even if you pair it with the UC axe bead they don't have enough hit bonus to do all the work.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #65

I would like to see the fighter be more thematic

Fighter weapon:
Shield of Bashing
-Fighter, Paladin
+2 ac when equipped, +0 ac when slid for the round
may be slid in offhand to deal additonal damage/stun/ knock prone

+2 bolas
-Fighter only
ranged or melee
may be thrown for some kind of grapple affect or used as a bludgeoning weapon in melee

Spear of versatility
-Fighter, barabrian, paladin
onehanded spear
fighter may forgo his shield slot to add +X to damage

Boots of the brave
1/room you may intercept and enemy attack and take the damage instead
Fighter/paladin may use their ac score(essentially guard)

Fighters can do so many cool thing in 5e, it would be fun to see some of that in TD.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #66

payden wrote: I would like to see the fighter be more thematic
Fighter weapon:
Shield of Bashing
-Fighter, Paladin
+2 ac when equipped, +0 ac when slid for the round
may be slid in offhand to deal additonal damage/stun/ knock prone


That one seems very unlikely to happen for two reasons: Fighter and Paladin don't have an extra puck for making off-hand attacks (and, since off-hand attacks are VERY broken in TD, I hope they never add that.) And, combat DMs would probably rather not have to deal with an effect that changes AC round-by-round based on your attacks.
Otherwise, a shield that does some damage would be a fine idea for a token.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #67

Endgame wrote:

BasicBraining wrote: Edit to say, if having a really hard time with ranged only, consider changing build to add dex / + ranged hit?


I thought we broke this tired old record last year...

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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #68

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Endgame wrote: Edit to say, if having a really hard time with ranged only, consider changing build to add dex / + ranged hit?


I thought we broke this tired old record last year...

Fixed your quotes.

No tired record, it’s a classic balance ballad. you want to hit something flying, pull out your bow / sling/ throwing hammer. Want to have a better chance to hit? you can pickup +9 Ranged hit with Cranston’s, sniper specs, deadshot goggles and deadshot gloves.

Edit:
Alternatively, equip charm of the Faire, boots of bounding, and fizzy lifting pack and make 3 melee attacks against fliers each room.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 2 weeks ago #69

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Marc D wrote:

Cassie wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Marc D wrote: Not to yuck everyone's yum, but I kind of hope we don't see slot expanders for beads until after Charm of Uber Avarice. I like that putting the treasure enhancers in beads forces decisions between greed and stats.

Agree 100%. However, it if MUST happen, I'd vote for slots that are historically expansion slots. Ex: the bead expander should be Wrist, Neck, or Ear.


At least that way we can force a decision over WHICH slot expanders to use


If it MUST happen, I'd push for Ear. Have it compete with all the expanders.

Also, suggested names:
Earcuff of the Emissary
Earcuff of the Prophets

The pagh jokes write themselves :laugh:
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 1 week ago #70

Endgame wrote:

Marc D wrote: Not to yuck everyone's yum, but I kind of hope we don't see slot expanders for beads until after Charm of Uber Avarice. I like that putting the treasure enhancers in beads forces decisions between greed and stats.

Agree 100%. However, it if MUST happen, I'd vote for slots that are historically expansion slots. Ex: the bead expander should be Wrist, Neck, or Ear.


Instead of an expander, maybe instead a 1:1 swapper?

Charm of Beads - you may equip an additional bead
Ioun of Tangled Hair - you may equip an additional bead
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 1 week ago #71

X of Synergy

A new token with the same effect as Charm of Synergy but in a different slot. You can only wear one "of Synergy" item at a time.

This ability could be bolted onto something in a more powerful slot, for example maybe a +1 UR weapon that also grants the Synergy effect.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Ideas 1 month 1 week ago #72

Belt Buckle of Genius: +4 to INT or WIS, choose at start - waist slot - usable by all
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