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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #49

Ian Lee wrote: Something I thought of later last night.

Gloves of Extra Focus should list which classes can use it. Looks like the norm these days for URs is bard included. Assumedly ranger is off and paladin with its spells after class redesign is off, too.


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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #50

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Jeff Martin wrote:
Greaves I'd like to see come out, and become some sort of a transmute, but that's almost certainly not going to happen.
We can't go back and announce old tokens are now part of a transmute. I have been denounced as a butthead for wanting to do so in the past. We cannot change that the Greaves -- no matter how many folks have extra Greaves laying around.

Could it be "available as PYP or as a transmute"? We have precedent for URs to be transmutes in the FoP: Reaver, this would just be adding alternate methods of acquisition
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #51

Jeff Martin wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Gloves of Extra Focus or Gloves of Superior Focus. Greater continues the confusion with inconsistent naming conventions and will become more confusing when they get reprinted and become part of transmute path.

They also should say +2 Focus now that Focus is getting defined and is used on two other tokens in the same set, including another UR.


Good catch. I will change the Shirt back to the list so it is more clear to newer folks.


When you have a keyword, should always use it [cough, Retribution]. If there is room on the token, then write out in parantheses what the keyword means. Keywords can save space, but the real value is in consistency of mechanics and being able to be referenced (or searched).

+2 Focus (spellcasters and polydruids are better by 2)
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #52

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Jeff Martin wrote:
Greaves I'd like to see come out, and become some sort of a transmute, but that's almost certainly not going to happen.
We can't go back and announce old tokens are now part of a transmute. I have been denounced as a butthead for wanting to do so in the past. We cannot change that the Greaves -- no matter how many folks have extra Greaves laying around.

Could it be "available as PYP or as a transmute"? We have precedent for URs to be transmutes in the FoP: Reaver, this would just be adding alternate methods of acquisition


I'd be a little miffed if I was new to the game and saw two options for a token. One of which is "Pay $250" and the other is "virtually free". The previous transmute options have been for non-standard pack tokens (Reaver and Mystic Orb). And Reaver was announced in advance of VTD being a thing and was explicitly stated as a "thank you" for support in uncertain times.

I appreciate the transmute path sentiment, but I totally get why having a sudden, announced transmute that uses things from half a decade ago leaves a bad taste.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #53

Arnold wrote:

+2 Dual Shot Sling
Not sure parenthetical is necessary, but it could go either way. The word Ammo usually isn't capitalized.
Gameplay note- there is no useable ammo for this sling in 2023.
May turn in up to 2 ammo tokens each rd We are going to have to redesign this completely. Long story. Basically, ammo tokens are getting a bump so this can't be 2/ammo a round anymore.

+2 Sun Scimitar
The 'o' in 'FOB' should be lower case.
(FoB weapon) Fixed. Thanks!

Boots of Puhweehwa
'With' feels like it should be an ampersand. Boots of the Marauder used two ampersands and looks cleaner.
The 'with' in front of Incorporeal is usually 'vs'.
Drop Oxford comma.
+2 to AC & immunity to Surprise, Maze, Petrification & 50% miss chance vs Incorporeal I change it to your wording.

Greaves of Absorption
Tokens usually omit the Oxford comma
-2 damage from Acid, Cold, Fire, Darkrift, Poison & Shock <I don't see one...so I guess you are just pointing this out

Robe of Skill
'1/game' should be in parentheses to match other tokens
(1/game) We can't do that...it would confuse the first power

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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #54

Flik wrote: Jeff, in the previous transmute thread (I know this is the UR thread lol) I asked about healers getting on the then legendary gloves and you said something like "remind me next year I have a great idea for caster gloves.

I just wanted to ask if that was still in the cards because I'd hate to buy these Focus UR gloves (and I will, yes please!) and then the next year turn around have to buy another UR for a transmute path in the same slot.

I'm guessing events have changed because there aren't any legendary gloves anymore but I felt compelled to ask anyways.

THANKS as usual!


Hmm...if we did that to you...we'd let both Gloves go to the Relic.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #55

Jeff Martin wrote: Arnold wrote:

+2 Dual Shot Sling
Not sure parenthetical is necessary, but it could go either way. The word Ammo usually isn't capitalized.
Gameplay note- there is no useable ammo for this sling in 2023.
May turn in up to 2 ammo tokens each rd We are going to have to redesign this completely. Long story. Basically, ammo tokens are getting a bump so this can't be 2/ammo a round anymore.


Looks like the reprinting +2 Sacred Sling solves all our problems here! B)

(and thanks for addressing my glove question)
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #56

I'm confused.

The point of the sling was to synergize with ammo, where ammo has not generally been all that good for multiple reasons.

Make ammo better but remove tokens that synergize with it so that it (ammo) is not as useful?

Assuming avoid sling stones that do double damage to things, let's say a sling stone goes from +4 damage to +6 damage. The net effect of this particular token would be +4 damage over what it was already capable of and +6 over a different sling (ignoring, for the moment, Mighty slings that keep getting bigger from all of the STR increases that happen) as the cost of a consumable every time it's used. In a vacuum, that may sound like it's good. Yet, it doesn't get a STR bonus to damage like various other ranged weapons do. Is it going to be any better than a +2 Lt. Crossbow of Frost?

Instead of worrying about ammo suddenly becoming actually worthwhile to use, where I can see it being largely a waste of money most of the time even if everything gets +2 damage, can change the damage wheel on this thing to 3, 4, 5, 6 which is a pretty normal damage wheel for a sling, anyway, including various UR slings over the year.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #57

Jeff Martin wrote: Arnold wrote:

+2 Dual Shot Sling
Not sure parenthetical is necessary, but it could go either way. The word Ammo usually isn't capitalized.
Gameplay note- there is no useable ammo for this sling in 2023.
May turn in up to 2 ammo tokens each rd We are going to have to redesign this completely. Long story. Basically, ammo tokens are getting a bump so this can't be 2/ammo a round anymore.


Reprint of +2 sacred sling would be an easy way to go that would make a lot of folks happy.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #58

Sure, reprint Sacred Sling this year. Then, next time around, play around with double ammo weapons. There is a good argument that printing a weapon that wants to use ammo and not having any ammo for it in the same year is discouraging.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #59

Daniel White wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Arnold wrote:

+2 Dual Shot Sling
Not sure parenthetical is necessary, but it could go either way. The word Ammo usually isn't capitalized.
Gameplay note- there is no useable ammo for this sling in 2023.
May turn in up to 2 ammo tokens each rd We are going to have to redesign this completely. Long story. Basically, ammo tokens are getting a bump so this can't be 2/ammo a round anymore.


Reprint of +2 sacred sling would be an easy way to go that would make a lot of folks happy.

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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 7 months 3 weeks ago #60

Jeff Martin wrote: Dr. Uid wrote:

Acherin's ring is better, but still feels unfortunately quite underwhelming. Ring slot is incredibly contested, and has a lot of hard choices. I guess it could allow one to tank saves and just make the most important one. This feels like a relic figurine rather than a ring to me. Any chance it could move to Bead, Charm, or Ioun Stone? Or maybe save this for a relic after reprinting Tortoise, Dragon, and Owl? This is meant more for newer players, as not every UR needs to worry about BiS.

Thanks for the feedback!


I don’t want to be argumentative (and I sincerely hope I'm not) but essentially compare this to either Ring of the Drake, Ring of Wonder, or Ring of Havoc, amongst others at UR.

I am hoping for more from the honorarily named token. I think its good to have these be slightly above curve power wise.
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