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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #25

edwin wrote: Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

FYI, with 2 party wide tokens, a bard is already very close to out healing Cleric (without party wide gear), and contributes bard song and other stuff.

Legendary equipped Cleric with +27 Healing bonus and spell swapping to swap everything to Healing spells heals 496-523 hp

If everyone in the party equips linked shirt of Healing and key of Healing
Bard equips:
Arcane Set
Spell storing
Crown of expertise
Gregor’s Tome

Bard heals 445.

If everyone also equips agate orb or Healing runestone, bard heals 495.

Max bard Healing with a coordinated party runs right around 700 if I remember correctly.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #26

Endgame wrote:

edwin wrote: Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

FYI, with 2 party wide tokens, a bard is already very close to out healing Cleric (without party wide gear), and contributes bard song and other stuff.

Legendary equipped Cleric with +27 Healing bonus and spell swapping to swap everything to Healing spells heals 496-523 hp

If everyone in the party equips linked shirt of Healing and key of Healing
Bard equips:
Arcane Set
Spell storing
Crown of expertise
Gregor’s Tome

Bard heals 445.

If everyone also equips agate orb or Healing runestone, bard heals 495.

Max bard Healing with a coordinated party runs right around 700 if I remember correctly.


How does that compare for clerics with others folks equipping tokens specifically to maximum the cleric healing? And for groups that don't use those tokens?

Would it even make sense for Bards to add healing scrolls to their Poem books or do they get more mileage healing without it?

10 point healing for bard with bonus is less than Cleric.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #27

I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #28

Brokkr wrote: I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.


Agree. But I expect that to be over a number of years. Possibly 4 or 5. Since Bards were part of the early queue for class legendaries it makes sense to me they should be early in the queue for their Poem book.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #29

edwin wrote:

Brokkr wrote: I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.


Agree. But I expect that to be over a number of years. Possibly 4 or 5. Since Bards were part of the early queue for class legendaries it makes sense to me they should be early in the queue for their Poem book.


Or should they be near the end instead? Why should the same classes always be first?

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #30

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edwin wrote:

Brokkr wrote: I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.


Agree. But I expect that to be over a number of years. Possibly 4 or 5. Since Bards were part of the early queue for class legendaries it makes sense to me they should be early in the queue for their Poem book.


Or should they be near the end instead? Why should the same classes always be first?


We could have folks recommend TD randomly determine which classes get a new legendary each year. But they ask for input so here is the thread for 2022.

We could draw the line prior to token development and say there was nothing for Bards, Dr Uid, Paladins, etc and other classes are going first.

Given the strength of class legendaries we could value going last to get something better.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #31

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edwin wrote:

Brokkr wrote: I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.


Agree. But I expect that to be over a number of years. Possibly 4 or 5. Since Bards were part of the early queue for class legendaries it makes sense to me they should be early in the queue for their Poem book.

Poem books weren't even a discussion item until about 72 hours ago. I'm not even sure it's been established that it's a) something the Bard players want and b) something that TPTB have any intention of creating.

Speaking about it like it's fait acompli seems a bit premature.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #32

NightGod wrote:

edwin wrote:

Brokkr wrote: I feel that if we are going to do the "Everyone gets a shiny new thing" route each of them need to be wholly different otherwise everything gets watered down and no one is happy.


Agree. But I expect that to be over a number of years. Possibly 4 or 5. Since Bards were part of the early queue for class legendaries it makes sense to me they should be early in the queue for their Poem book.

Poem books weren't even a discussion item until about 72 hours ago. I'm not even sure it's been established that it's a) something the Bard players want and b) something that TPTB have any intention of creating.

Speaking about it like it's fait acompli seems a bit premature.


This Bard player wants it.

Same could be said for any ideas that folks come up with for any class.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #33

I do not want a spell book, I would like a poem book, or another thing that is Bardic “Joke journal” etc. it could be a +5 to initiative, or a +saves while bardsong heard, or actually a specific spell once an adventure that is not on any other spell cards, or is on someone else’s spell card without mark (if you don’t bring a wizard you can’t use their spells, in a full cabal setting you have the largest selection, especially if you have a skull/rosp class along). I dunno what a bardic book should be, I would like a Norse Notebook of Nuanced Notations.
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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #34

edwin wrote:

Endgame wrote:

edwin wrote: Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

FYI, with 2 party wide tokens, a bard is already very close to out healing Cleric (without party wide gear), and contributes bard song and other stuff.

Legendary equipped Cleric with +27 Healing bonus and spell swapping to swap everything to Healing spells heals 496-523 hp

If everyone in the party equips linked shirt of Healing and key of Healing
Bard equips:
Arcane Set
Spell storing
Crown of expertise
Gregor’s Tome

Bard heals 445.

If everyone also equips agate orb or Healing runestone, bard heals 495.

Max bard Healing with a coordinated party runs right around 700 if I remember correctly.


How does that compare for clerics with others folks equipping tokens specifically to maximum the cleric healing? And for groups that don't use those tokens?

Would it even make sense for Bards to add healing scrolls to their Poem books or do they get more mileage healing without it?

10 point healing for bard with bonus is less than Cleric.


Quick additions - 100 from Cleric legendary necklace, 15 healing spells x3, ability to divide up healing adds another 15 x 3 and 27 more from legendary heal based on usage of Shirt or Key. This provides 217 more points of healing for a Cleric if they optimize healing

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #35

edwin wrote:

edwin wrote:

Endgame wrote:

edwin wrote: Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

FYI, with 2 party wide tokens, a bard is already very close to out healing Cleric (without party wide gear), and contributes bard song and other stuff.

Legendary equipped Cleric with +27 Healing bonus and spell swapping to swap everything to Healing spells heals 496-523 hp

If everyone in the party equips linked shirt of Healing and key of Healing
Bard equips:
Arcane Set
Spell storing
Crown of expertise
Gregor’s Tome

Bard heals 445.

If everyone also equips agate orb or Healing runestone, bard heals 495.

Max bard Healing with a coordinated party runs right around 700 if I remember correctly.


How does that compare for clerics with others folks equipping tokens specifically to maximum the cleric healing? And for groups that don't use those tokens?

Would it even make sense for Bards to add healing scrolls to their Poem books or do they get more mileage healing without it?

10 point healing for bard with bonus is less than Cleric.


Quick additions - 100 from Cleric legendary necklace, 15 healing spells x3, ability to divide up healing adds another 15 x 3 and 27 more from legendary heal based on usage of Shirt or Key. This provides 217 more points of healing for a Cleric if they optimize healing

Note: Divine intervention isn’t a spell, so it doesn’t trigger key, linked shirts, etc.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 3 weeks 3 days ago #36

Endgame wrote:

edwin wrote:

edwin wrote:

Endgame wrote:

edwin wrote: Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

FYI, with 2 party wide tokens, a bard is already very close to out healing Cleric (without party wide gear), and contributes bard song and other stuff.

Legendary equipped Cleric with +27 Healing bonus and spell swapping to swap everything to Healing spells heals 496-523 hp

If everyone in the party equips linked shirt of Healing and key of Healing
Bard equips:
Arcane Set
Spell storing
Crown of expertise
Gregor’s Tome

Bard heals 445.

If everyone also equips agate orb or Healing runestone, bard heals 495.

Max bard Healing with a coordinated party runs right around 700 if I remember correctly.


How does that compare for clerics with others folks equipping tokens specifically to maximum the cleric healing? And for groups that don't use those tokens?

Would it even make sense for Bards to add healing scrolls to their Poem books or do they get more mileage healing without it?

10 point healing for bard with bonus is less than Cleric.


Quick additions - 100 from Cleric legendary necklace, 15 healing spells x3, ability to divide up healing adds another 15 x 3 and 27 more from legendary heal based on usage of Shirt or Key. This provides 217 more points of healing for a Cleric if they optimize healing

Note: Divine intervention isn’t a spell, so it doesn’t trigger key, linked shirts, etc.


Thanks. I was mistaken. I have posted to the Database thread to see if the token can be update to clarify that healing bonus and tokens triggered by healing are not trigger by the legendary.

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