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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 6 days ago #13

Also in agree to make it fun for everyone.

Folks should start threads for the other classes with their ideas and use Jim's posting as a starting point. This way we can keep ideas separated.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 6 days ago #14

Lyrical Libram for luthiers lacking logistical luster that spell books need, unite!

Specifics! Needlessly unspecific.

Idea, brooched.

Thanks for the thread Edwin
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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 6 days ago #15

Keep in mind on the Bard discussions that Relic and Legendary tokens that provide bump up in healing and damage Example, Resla's, Drue's, Drake's etc. Are not usable by Bards.

So any discussion to limit to Bards against adding healing bonus or spell damage is akin to the other classes accepting that they shouldn't get it either in their equivalent of a book.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 6 days ago #16

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edwin wrote: Keep in mind on the Bard discussions that Relic and Legendary tokens that provide bump up in healing and damage Example, Resla's, Drue's, Drake's etc. Are not usable by Bards.

So any discussion to limit to Bards against adding healing bonus or spell damage is akin to the other classes accepting that they shouldn't get it either in their equivalent of a book.

Congrats! It only took one hour, fifteen minutes after my post predicting it to start to talk about designing wizard spellbooks based on bards getting one. Impressive, really.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #17

Grizwald wrote: Why is this a Bard/Wizard thing and not anyone who uses scrolls thing?


I agree, it seems like it could be applicable to the main spell casting classes, including Cleric and Druid. With different spells in it of course.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #18

edwin wrote: Bard Poem Book could provide options to cast things not on the character card on the fly. A poem could be something to enhance another character, provide a party bonus, do an offensive attack or healing. This would allow Bards to be tailored by the player and provide a more diverse experience.


To this end, perhaps the bard song book could use spell slots to add an additional instrument's effect to bard song? This would be a way to get some of the save bonuses or damage resistances without having to compromise the to hit/damage bonus for the party. It also opens up investment in design for newer instruments, knowing that higher level players using the relic or legendary will still take an interest in them.

Spend a spell slot to add an instrument for 1 room (or 1 round if that's too powerful)
0 level: uncommon instrument
1st level: rare
2nd level: ultra rare

The concept needs some tweaking, since there are 3 rare instruments in total, so maybe it would be better to tie the slot expended to the duration?

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #19

I've often thought that a "song" token or something similar would be an interesting bard-only slot. It could either replace the effect of bardsong altogether or add to it (which kind of just makes it into another instrument, I guess). Each year could add a new song, like this year's could be a Sea Shanty (maybe adds immunity to sea sickness to bardsong?).

I also thought that every class could use a cool class-only slot, but that's just more tokens we have to fit into the set each year, so probably isn't viable?

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #20

Greg wrote:

edwin wrote: Bard Poem Book could provide options to cast things not on the character card on the fly. A poem could be something to enhance another character, provide a party bonus, do an offensive attack or healing. This would allow Bards to be tailored by the player and provide a more diverse experience.


To this end, perhaps the bard song book could use spell slots to add an additional instrument's effect to bard song? This would be a way to get some of the save bonuses or damage resistances without having to compromise the to hit/damage bonus for the party. It also opens up investment in design for newer instruments, knowing that higher level players using the relic or legendary will still take an interest in them.

Spend a spell slot to add an instrument for 1 room (or 1 round if that's too powerful)
0 level: uncommon instrument
1st level: rare
2nd level: ultra rare

The concept needs some tweaking, since there are 3 rare instruments in total, so maybe it would be better to tie the slot expended to the duration?

Trade a level 0 slot for a bonus for a round, and a level 1 slot for a room?

It’s likely to be very powerful, as +4 to a save for a room is No joke.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #21

edwin wrote: Keep in mind on the Bard discussions that Relic and Legendary tokens that provide bump up in healing and damage Example, Resla's, Drue's, Drake's etc. Are not usable by Bards.

So any discussion to limit to Bards against adding healing bonus or spell damage is akin to the other classes accepting that they shouldn't get it either in their equivalent of a book.


I dont actually think this is true.

I think we can design wizards spellbooks knowing which tokens they have access to, and any other (theoretical) poem, prayer or other books can be designed completely differently.

Can they start from a similar place? Sure.

Do they have to? Nope.
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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 5 days ago #22

I’d like to just put it out here that I’ve always thought of the scrolls when used by bards, whatever their magical essence in the hands of a wizard or cleric or Druid may be, is actually a song, joke, or pun used to invoke the magic that the bard needs. As such I think a UR jokesters journal (tm, not tm’d) should be as follows:

UR (Give it a good name please) bard gains 5 scrolls they can substitute for spells. Rare for 1st level spell, UC/c for 0 level spell, and 2 nd level for all other scrolls. They are cast as if from the character card and not turned in.

Alternatively
UR (give it a cool name please)
Bard gains double the effect from any scroll used as this magical volume doubles the effect and is cast as if from the characters card. Ideally it would be a second target of the same spell except with spell cast modifiers rather than scroll modifiers. I haven’t actually thought long or hard about this, it’s likely too powerful due to the “whole party” effects some scrolls have though in this the scrolls are still turned in.
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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 4 days ago #23

Reviewed dust in TD database and feel the bonus is something a bard could cast on another character only since a Bard would have no addition actions that turn if playing bardsong.

Reviewed potions in the database. Bards are unable to use polymorph potions. Feel death's door and revival root which bring a character back from the dead are allocated to cleric relic and legendary and not for any other classes (besides Paladin sacrifice). Others are items I feel should be useable as described on the potion entry.

Scrolls are restricted by class. Bard usable ones should be candidates with healing having healing bonus added and damage having damage bonus added. This would not result in a Bard out healing a Cleric or out damaging a Wizard since restrictions already exists against Bards using relic and legendary items that add bonuses her along with select UR and below rarity tokens.

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Bard Poem Book - Bards speak up!!! 1 month 4 days ago #24

Bards already have a character card that allows them to select which spell to cast ( or "poem" to recite). Feep that Bards should be able to select from Poem book on the fly and not be restricted to preselecting before a run begins as might be inferred if the character card locked in how many instances of each exact spells one could cast.

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