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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #25

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edwin wrote:

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Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Probably best to just not try to add Bard onto the spellbook item in the first place


Agree. Spellbook for Wizards. Poembook for Bards. Two different transmute paths.


Agree!

Bards need love too!


I don't think we've ever had a branching path transmute, that would be interesting, but while I agree bards need love too, I don't think this is the place for it. Spellbooks should probably be a wizard only thing (especially after the feelings surrounding the MEC changes last year.)


Might be best to give Wizards a year to rest due to the feelings and concentrate on a Poem Book for Bards in 2022.


Honestly that sounds more like kicking them while they're down then giving them a year to rest.
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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #26

Picc wrote:

edwin wrote:

Picc wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Probably best to just not try to add Bard onto the spellbook item in the first place


Agree. Spellbook for Wizards. Poembook for Bards. Two different transmute paths.


Agree!

Bards need love too!


I don't think we've ever had a branching path transmute, that would be interesting, but while I agree bards need love too, I don't think this is the place for it. Spellbooks should probably be a wizard only thing (especially after the feelings surrounding the MEC changes last year.)


Might be best to give Wizards a year to rest due to the feelings and concentrate on a Poem Book for Bards in 2022.


Honestly that sounds more like kicking them while they're down then giving them a year to rest.


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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #27

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

edwin wrote:

Picc wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

edwin wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Probably best to just not try to add Bard onto the spellbook item in the first place


Agree. Spellbook for Wizards. Poembook for Bards. Two different transmute paths.


Agree!

Bards need love too!


I don't think we've ever had a branching path transmute, that would be interesting, but while I agree bards need love too, I don't think this is the place for it. Spellbooks should probably be a wizard only thing (especially after the feelings surrounding the MEC changes last year.)


Might be best to give Wizards a year to rest due to the feelings and concentrate on a Poem Book for Bards in 2022.


That sounds like the one option more likely to upset Wizards more.


Given we were specifically promised to have a spell book this year, yeah. that'd be a great way to upset Wizards even more than we were last year.

I can understand that bards can use some form of additional tokens but I see no reason why they would be rolled into a very Wizard specific item like a Wizard's spellbook.

OTOH, I think more toys for more people can only help the game. I'd be fine with Bards getting something similar to a spellbook, as long as their inclusion wasn't used to shape the direction the Wizard version goes in.

That is, I think they could be involved in a similar design, but if I ever read something like, "We can't do allow spellbooks to do X because that would make it possible for Bards to do Y insane thing", I'd probably lose it.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #28

My recollection of a spellbook is that it gives the wizard different spells to choose from.

Not stronger
Not more (unless they burn it as a scroll)
Different.

I like the idea of giving wizards options.
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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #29

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: My recollection of a spellbook is that it gives the wizard different spells to choose from.

Not stronger
Not more (unless they burn it as a scroll)
Different.

I like the idea of giving wizards options.


This is exactly my expectation. To me, the debate is only around the mechanics of how this is rolled out and details like how many scrolls or spellbook pages and what rarity can be put into the spellbook. Something like this can allow wizards to customize their character a bit. I like that.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #30

I could see a similar mechanic being used for Wizard, Bard, Cleric, & Druid. Spellbooks, Poem Books, Prayer Books, and Lore Books. Each of these classes can get something with the same general framework but tailored for them.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #31

One quick note

If spell damage is actually going to double on the next wizard card, then the spell book either needs to double scroll damage, or scrolls need to double in damage when printed in future sets.

If spell damage doesn’t damage in the future, but the spell book does double scrolls placed in the book, the scrolls will be the only thing cast.

If we rely on doubling scrolls damage on the scroll itself, all classes get to take advantage of the higher scroll damage (making current scrolls obsolete)

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #32

My memory may be fuzzy on this but I think the discussion a few years ago was on adding a tome slot rather than a spell book. Clearly if you add a new slot you will make something to fill it that year.

I figure is a slot is added then certain tokens will be modified to fit in their like
Gregor’s Tome of Focus, and Libram of Looting.

I think if a new slot is created probably a UR wizards, or just all casters, and a rare general use item like a tome of fitness or something that anyone can use.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #33

Wayne Rhodes wrote: My memory may be fuzzy on this but I think the discussion a few years ago was on adding a tome slot rather than a spell book. Clearly if you add a new slot you will make something to fill it that year.

I figure is a slot is added then certain tokens will be modified to fit in their like
Gregor’s Tome of Focus, and Libram of Looting.

I think if a new slot is created probably a UR wizards, or just all casters, and a rare general use item like a tome of fitness or something that anyone can use.

I like the idea of a spellbook/tome slot, but I don't think existing tomes need to be rolled into it. They were designed with being a slotless in mind and rolling them into a specific slot basically is just nerfing them for no reason.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #34

Cassie wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote: My memory may be fuzzy on this but I think the discussion a few years ago was on adding a tome slot rather than a spell book. Clearly if you add a new slot you will make something to fill it that year.

I figure is a slot is added then certain tokens will be modified to fit in their like
Gregor’s Tome of Focus, and Libram of Looting.

I think if a new slot is created probably a UR wizards, or just all casters, and a rare general use item like a tome of fitness or something that anyone can use.

I like the idea of a spellbook/tome slot, but I don't think existing tomes need to be rolled into it. They were designed with being a slotless in mind and rolling them into a specific slot basically is just nerfing them for no reason.

Gregor’s Tome was released with the note that a Tome slot would be added and that both Gregor’s and Carter’s would end up in that slot.

I don’t think I’d want to make wizards choose between Gregor’s and their spell book though - let them have both and keep the spell book out of the tome slot.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #35

Endgame wrote:

Cassie wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote: My memory may be fuzzy on this but I think the discussion a few years ago was on adding a tome slot rather than a spell book. Clearly if you add a new slot you will make something to fill it that year.

I figure is a slot is added then certain tokens will be modified to fit in their like
Gregor’s Tome of Focus, and Libram of Looting.

I think if a new slot is created probably a UR wizards, or just all casters, and a rare general use item like a tome of fitness or something that anyone can use.

I like the idea of a spellbook/tome slot, but I don't think existing tomes need to be rolled into it. They were designed with being a slotless in mind and rolling them into a specific slot basically is just nerfing them for no reason.

Gregor’s Tome was released with the note that a Tome slot would be added and that both Gregor’s and Carter’s would end up in that slot.

I don’t think I’d want to make wizards choose between Gregor’s and their spell book though - let them have both and keep the spell book out of the tome slot.


Jeff stated during last year's development that the Wizard spellbook won't be considered a tome.

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Reminder on Spellbook creation 2 months 3 days ago #36

Endgame wrote: One quick note

If spell damage is actually going to double on the next wizard card, then the spell book either needs to double scroll damage, or scrolls need to double in damage when printed in future sets.

If spell damage doesn’t damage in the future, but the spell book does double scrolls placed in the book, the scrolls will be the only thing cast.

If we rely on doubling scrolls damage on the scroll itself, all classes get to take advantage of the higher scroll damage (making current scrolls obsolete)


Jeff stated explicitly Wizard base spell damage doubling is no longer planned during last years token design late int process when the decision was made not to change what MeC does to spells.

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