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TOPIC: Question - Actual/Absolute Rarity of URs

Question - Actual/Absolute Rarity of URs 9 months 4 weeks ago #13

Mike Steele wrote: There are a couple of other differences between Magic cards and True Dungeon tokens that come to mind, in my opinion.

First, for Magic cards collectors care quite a bit about different printings. An Alpha Birds of Paradise is worth a LOOOOT more than a recent printing of one. For the most part, printings don't seem to matter as much for True Dungeon tokens (collectors completing sets of course often do pay premium prices for tokens they need). Once a token is reprinted, the early printing(s) seem to have about the same value as the reprints.

Second, there are a lot of Magic cards / sets/ sealed boxes that I feel comfortable investing in for the long-term. Not just the early sets, but even more recent items like a Dominaria Booster Box (for example). I don't really see any True Dungeon tokens as long-term investments though, from a financial perspective - I have no problem investing in them for long-term enjoyment of course! I can't really think of any token that someone could buy now and feel comfortable that it will be worth more in the long-term future. The way token development seems to work, any given token is likely to be either reprinted or replaced via obsolescence at some point (often in the 3-6 year timeframe, but sometimes tokens get obsoleted within a year or two). The closest tokens I can think of as a safe investments are Treasure Enhancing tokens like Charm of Avarice or the UR Nuggets, but even those could be reprinted in the future.


The "investment" comes from the pulls you get on each run. Over time the pulls will pay for the TE.

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Question - Actual/Absolute Rarity of URs 9 months 4 weeks ago #14

Steve wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: There are a couple of other differences between Magic cards and True Dungeon tokens that come to mind, in my opinion.

First, for Magic cards collectors care quite a bit about different printings. An Alpha Birds of Paradise is worth a LOOOOT more than a recent printing of one. For the most part, printings don't seem to matter as much for True Dungeon tokens (collectors completing sets of course often do pay premium prices for tokens they need). Once a token is reprinted, the early printing(s) seem to have about the same value as the reprints.

Second, there are a lot of Magic cards / sets/ sealed boxes that I feel comfortable investing in for the long-term. Not just the early sets, but even more recent items like a Dominaria Booster Box (for example). I don't really see any True Dungeon tokens as long-term investments though, from a financial perspective - I have no problem investing in them for long-term enjoyment of course! I can't really think of any token that someone could buy now and feel comfortable that it will be worth more in the long-term future. The way token development seems to work, any given token is likely to be either reprinted or replaced via obsolescence at some point (often in the 3-6 year timeframe, but sometimes tokens get obsoleted within a year or two). The closest tokens I can think of as a safe investments are Treasure Enhancing tokens like Charm of Avarice or the UR Nuggets, but even those could be reprinted in the future.


The "investment" comes from the pulls you get on each run. Over time the pulls will pay for the TE.


That's very true, TE tokens are the gifts that keep on giving. :)

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Question - Actual/Absolute Rarity of URs 9 months 4 weeks ago #15

If you got your 3 Ioun stones as PYPs, you spent $300 or so. If you got your CoA at a really good price, you might have paid $1000? Treasure pulls usually go for $3-4 each, so you'd need 433 pulls total, at the low end, to recoup that cost, but you'd have bought 18 runs to get 24 pulls per run, which means spending another $1500+. Will you get that ticket cost back from the value of the pulls? Maybe. While I love extra treasure pulls, I don't see them as a return on an investment, I see them as the icing on the delicious cake that is the time I get to spend in the dungeon with other players :)

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Question - Actual/Absolute Rarity of URs 9 months 3 weeks ago #16

balthasar wrote: If you got your 3 Ioun stones as PYPs, you spent $300 or so. If you got your CoA at a really good price, you might have paid $1000? Treasure pulls usually go for $3-4 each, so you'd need 433 pulls total, at the low end, to recoup that cost, but you'd have bought 18 runs to get 24 pulls per run, which means spending another $1500+. Will you get that ticket cost back from the value of the pulls? Maybe. While I love extra treasure pulls, I don't see them as a return on an investment, I see them as the icing on the delicious cake that is the time I get to spend in the dungeon with other players :)


I have a different take on the idea that you're buying runs to get pulls. For me, the value of paying for a run is that I get to do the run, so the pulls are all icing on that cake. Even if you just do every adventure once, then you'll gain enough extra pulls from all of those TEs to pay back for them (using your $3-ish per pull rate) in a few years.

Sadly, I started buying tokens too late to get a Silver Nugget at a reasonable price, and I'm never going to be able to afford a CoA, but I've been lucky that I've been able to borrow TEs on a lot of the VTD runs I've been on.

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