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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #25

From the Skull of Cavadar Part Deux thread:

Dergidan wrote: I don't want to throw fuel on the fire, but as someone who hasn't collected any teeth or enablers myself (though a friend is collecting multiple sets) I don't understand why the skull can't "count-as" all seven teeth. That would prevent stacking the skull with additional teeth and would also leave some value on the PYP enablers.

Would it really be a problem to let someone who transmutes the teeth into the skull, keep the Semi-lich for the +7hp (for example)

Seems like the most elegant solution to me, from the outside.


Totally agree with this solution. It is elegant, fixes any complaints of PYP purchasers, and does not give any massive power boosts to the existing token.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #26

Still think the ring overlaps with Khing’s too much. Then again, maybe the legendary price on the market will drop considerably and I can start building a character with obsolete legendaries (Mithral bracers, khing’s ring, etc)
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #27

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Acid Pezz wrote: From the Skull of Cavadar Part Deux thread:

Dergidan wrote: I don't want to throw fuel on the fire, but as someone who hasn't collected any teeth or enablers myself (though a friend is collecting multiple sets) I don't understand why the skull can't "count-as" all seven teeth. That would prevent stacking the skull with additional teeth and would also leave some value on the PYP enablers.

Would it really be a problem to let someone who transmutes the teeth into the skull, keep the Semi-lich for the +7hp (for example)

Seems like the most elegant solution to me, from the outside.


Totally agree with this solution. It is elegant, fixes any complaints of PYP purchasers, and does not give any massive power boosts to the existing token.

As someone who knew about the Semi-lich not stacking and didn't get one for that reason, I'd be good with this (and would likely be getting a Semi-lich at some point).
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #28

edwin wrote:

Arnold wrote: I'm surprised that folks are seriously considering holding back $7000 worth of 'bonuses' for slotless 7hp.

The folks at TD make this game because it brings all of us joy. Holding back transmuting the teeth, and thus depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event is just :sick:

The teeth were, and have always been thank yous from TD.

The Semi-Lich Skull was, by design, a solution for excess teeth.

An ultimatum of "both or boycott" is super uncool.

I sincerely hope that everyone who has access to all 7 teeth makes the Skull and either attends the event or sells the ticket so another player gets to.


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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #29

Would it be outrageous to ask that the Skull of Cavadar count as having seven teeth when equipping the semi-lich skull?
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #30

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Arnold wrote: I'm surprised that folks are seriously considering holding back $7000 worth of 'bonuses' for slotless 7hp.

The folks at TD make this game because it brings all of us joy. Holding back transmuting the teeth, and thus depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event is just :sick:

The teeth were, and have always been thank yous from TD.

The Semi-Lich Skull was, by design, a solution for excess teeth.

An ultimatum of "both or boycott" is super uncool.

I sincerely hope that everyone who has access to all 7 teeth makes the Skull and either attends the event or sells the ticket so another player gets to.


The final skull gives me 1 subclass per year. Which is cool but limited to 1 use per year.

The semi lich skull gives me 7HP on every run.

The overall change to me as an eldritch user currently sitting at 2 piece is +1 spell damage (I do not use melee or ranged)

So my choice is +1 Spell Damage or +7 HP.

That's not a cut and dry decision for someone who uses mad evoker's charm.

I'm NOT saying boycott or both I'm asking for a middle ground on the final token.

Also where the hell are you getting $7000 worth of bonuses?

Also they are MY teeth, I purchased them, how would I be depriving another player of attending the event? It's my choice.


It is your game sir. I think I agree with the others who believe a unique adventure and a once per year subclass are stronger than your 7 HP. I'd suggest you sell your second tooth (as that is likely the tooth people are looking for) and go with 6HP and enough spare cash to get your wizard relic and parts of the legendary. win for you (1 hp lost for a lot of money is a win in my book, ymmv) and win for the community.

That said, your repeated "HP please" has been noted. We all appreciate the sentiment and hope you enjoy your game.

May your slides always land true my friend.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #31

Bill Krenson wrote: Would it be outrageous to ask that the Skull of Cavadar count as having seven teeth when equipping the semi-lich skull?


The design was done for that item around there being a market for teeth post transmute. honestly it didn't keep the value of teeth very high, the 6th was going for $35 in auctions at one point and can be found for $50 now I believe.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #32

macxdmg wrote:

Bill Krenson wrote: Would it be outrageous to ask that the Skull of Cavadar count as having seven teeth when equipping the semi-lich skull?


The design was done for that item around there being a market for teeth post transmute. honestly it didn't keep the value of teeth very high, the 6th was going for $35 in auctions at one point and can be found for $50 now I believe.


My latest auction closed yesterday with them going for $30-$31.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #33

macxdmg wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Arnold wrote: I'm surprised that folks are seriously considering holding back $7000 worth of 'bonuses' for slotless 7hp.

The folks at TD make this game because it brings all of us joy. Holding back transmuting the teeth, and thus depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event is just :sick:

The teeth were, and have always been thank yous from TD.

The Semi-Lich Skull was, by design, a solution for excess teeth.

An ultimatum of "both or boycott" is super uncool.

I sincerely hope that everyone who has access to all 7 teeth makes the Skull and either attends the event or sells the ticket so another player gets to.


The final skull gives me 1 subclass per year. Which is cool but limited to 1 use per year.

The semi lich skull gives me 7HP on every run.

The overall change to me as an eldritch user currently sitting at 2 piece is +1 spell damage (I do not use melee or ranged)

So my choice is +1 Spell Damage or +7 HP.

That's not a cut and dry decision for someone who uses mad evoker's charm.

I'm NOT saying boycott or both I'm asking for a middle ground on the final token.

Also where the hell are you getting $7000 worth of bonuses?

Also they are MY teeth, I purchased them, how would I be depriving another player of attending the event? It's my choice.


It is your game sir. I think I agree with the others who believe a unique adventure and a once per year subclass are stronger than your 7 HP. I'd suggest you sell your second tooth (as that is likely the tooth people are looking for) and go with 6HP and enough spare cash to get your wizard relic and parts of the legendary. win for you (1 hp lost for a lot of money is a win in my book, ymmv) and win for the community.

That said, your repeated "HP please" has been noted. We all appreciate the sentiment and hope you enjoy your game.

May your slides always land true my friend.


*sigh*

I have not been shouting HP PLEASE.

I have been saying that I was upset there was no indicator on the Semi Lich Skull that it would be incompatible with the final transmute.

I've asked that either that decision be reversed or something be done for players who have the completed skull.

I dislike the fact that the completed skull doesn't give me any sort of HP boost with the skull like leaving all 7 untransmuted does.

I don't feel like I am wrong to post my feelings on the token design and interaction in a thread designed for thoughts and feelings on token design.

I do feel it's inappropriate for multiple people to be making snide comments at me for voicing my opinion and I do feel it's inappropriate for people to insinuate my considerations on transmuting MY OWN PERSONALLY OWNED tokens is bad and that I am somehow "depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event"

It's my opinion on what is, to me, an unnecessary token invalidation that specifically affects a small subset of players and was not adequately identified as doing so before it was made available to purchase.

I think I am allowed to be upset by that, no matter what anyone else feels on the subject.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #34

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

macxdmg wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Arnold wrote: I'm surprised that folks are seriously considering holding back $7000 worth of 'bonuses' for slotless 7hp.

The folks at TD make this game because it brings all of us joy. Holding back transmuting the teeth, and thus depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event is just :sick:

The teeth were, and have always been thank yous from TD.

The Semi-Lich Skull was, by design, a solution for excess teeth.

An ultimatum of "both or boycott" is super uncool.

I sincerely hope that everyone who has access to all 7 teeth makes the Skull and either attends the event or sells the ticket so another player gets to.


The final skull gives me 1 subclass per year. Which is cool but limited to 1 use per year.

The semi lich skull gives me 7HP on every run.

The overall change to me as an eldritch user currently sitting at 2 piece is +1 spell damage (I do not use melee or ranged)

So my choice is +1 Spell Damage or +7 HP.

That's not a cut and dry decision for someone who uses mad evoker's charm.

I'm NOT saying boycott or both I'm asking for a middle ground on the final token.

Also where the hell are you getting $7000 worth of bonuses?

Also they are MY teeth, I purchased them, how would I be depriving another player of attending the event? It's my choice.


It is your game sir. I think I agree with the others who believe a unique adventure and a once per year subclass are stronger than your 7 HP. I'd suggest you sell your second tooth (as that is likely the tooth people are looking for) and go with 6HP and enough spare cash to get your wizard relic and parts of the legendary. win for you (1 hp lost for a lot of money is a win in my book, ymmv) and win for the community.

That said, your repeated "HP please" has been noted. We all appreciate the sentiment and hope you enjoy your game.

May your slides always land true my friend.


*sigh*

I have not been shouting HP PLEASE.

I have been saying that I was upset there was no indicator on the Semi Lich Skull that it would be incompatible with the final transmute.

I've asked that either that decision be reversed or something be done for players who have the completed skull.

I dislike the fact that the completed skull doesn't give me any sort of HP boost with the skull like leaving all 7 untransmuted does.

I don't feel like I am wrong to post my feelings on the token design and interaction in a thread designed for thoughts and feelings on token design.

I do feel it's inappropriate for multiple people to be making snide comments at me for voicing my opinion and I do feel it's inappropriate for people to insinuate my considerations on transmuting MY OWN PERSONALLY OWNED tokens is bad and that I am somehow "depriving you or another player the joy of attending the event"

It's my opinion on what is, to me, an unnecessary token invalidation that specifically affects a small subset of players and was not adequately identified as doing so before it was made available to purchase.

I think I am allowed to be upset by that, no matter what anyone else feels on the subject.


I agree with most of what you've said, except "I have been saying that I was upset there was no indicator on the Semi Lich Skull that it would be incompatible with the final transmute." and "an unnecessary token invalidation that specifically affects a small subset of players and was not adequately identified as doing so before it was made available to purchase."

I completely disagree with this statement, and I believe Jeff stated it specifically during token design last year. I do not have a post to quote for you, but I believe others have already done so in this thread.

You absolutely should voice your opinion, and this thread is expressly for that. I'm glad you're doing so, even with others shouting you down (metaphorically)

You are the only one who controls your feelings, so being upset is also well within your rights. Expressing that feeling likewise falls within your control.

You aren't responsible for other people's happiness either, so don't worry about "depriving someone else" of anything. They'll have that chance.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #35

edwin wrote:

macxdmg wrote:

Bill Krenson wrote: Would it be outrageous to ask that the Skull of Cavadar count as having seven teeth when equipping the semi-lich skull?


The design was done for that item around there being a market for teeth post transmute. honestly it didn't keep the value of teeth very high, the 6th was going for $35 in auctions at one point and can be found for $50 now I believe.


My latest auction closed yesterday with them going for $30-$31.


There was a glut of 6th as extras were inadvertently included in 1k and higher orders last year.
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2021 Light Blue and Elfstone Shard Almost Final! 8 months 2 weeks ago #36

Harlax wrote:

edwin wrote:

macxdmg wrote:

Bill Krenson wrote: Would it be outrageous to ask that the Skull of Cavadar count as having seven teeth when equipping the semi-lich skull?


The design was done for that item around there being a market for teeth post transmute. honestly it didn't keep the value of teeth very high, the 6th was going for $35 in auctions at one point and can be found for $50 now I believe.


My latest auction closed yesterday with them going for $30-$31.


There was a glut of 6th as extras were inadvertently included in 1k and higher orders last year.


I received no extras in any of my 8K orders. I believe the extras were in 1K and 2K orders only.
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