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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #13

Bracers of supreme archery

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #14

Miathan wrote: Bracers of supreme archery


+1

But I might be biased... I'm still wearing Bracers of Archery.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #15

Dergidan wrote:

Endgame wrote:

WaterSomePlants wrote: Love to see the return of the +2 Assassin’s Crossbow and Shield of the Scholar in 2021!

Given how crazy Rogue damage can get with the Assassin's crossbow, I would like to see this one reprinted, but the 3x damage qualified as natural 20 only.


I'd be extremely disappointed with something like this after spending YEARS on a ranged build and blowing all of my transmute goods last year on the Rogue relic almost entirely for the expanded crit range, to finally put me into doing competetive (useful) amounts of damage, and only when I crit on a sneak attack.

Is it really so awful that a Rogue can do 5th place damage under special circumstances?

I have dedicated a large number of slots to the ranged portion of my build and still do much less damage than the fighters, monk, and ranger are doing. Nobody in my groups has ever complained when I hit a lucky crit and do an extra 30 or so damage.

Assassin's Crossbow is fine as is I.M.O.


Fred's reports of his rogue regularly hitting 120-135 damage twice / room is really out of place for class damage ( www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=569&id=245490&start=0 ). Grand scheme, the Rogue's role is the only class that is beneficial to puzzle rooms, and the class overall should be in the damage range of the cleric / bard, NOT Monk and Ranger..

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #16

Endgame wrote:

Dergidan wrote:

Endgame wrote:

WaterSomePlants wrote: Love to see the return of the +2 Assassin’s Crossbow and Shield of the Scholar in 2021!

Given how crazy Rogue damage can get with the Assassin's crossbow, I would like to see this one reprinted, but the 3x damage qualified as natural 20 only.


I'd be extremely disappointed with something like this after spending YEARS on a ranged build and blowing all of my transmute goods last year on the Rogue relic almost entirely for the expanded crit range, to finally put me into doing competetive (useful) amounts of damage, and only when I crit on a sneak attack.

Is it really so awful that a Rogue can do 5th place damage under special circumstances?

I have dedicated a large number of slots to the ranged portion of my build and still do much less damage than the fighters, monk, and ranger are doing. Nobody in my groups has ever complained when I hit a lucky crit and do an extra 30 or so damage.

Assassin's Crossbow is fine as is I.M.O.


Fred's reports of his rogue regularly hitting 120-135 damage twice / room is really out of place for class damage ( www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=569&id=245490&start=0 ). Grand scheme, the Rogue's role is the only class that is beneficial to puzzle rooms, and the class overall should be in the damage range of the cleric / bard, NOT Monk and Ranger..


Thematically rogues are usually top dps in games, MMO wise I don’t know about dnd wise even with a multitude of tricks.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #17

UR:
Nightshade's +2 Short Sword (with Raphael's 17+ crit on sneak and 2x sneak per round there is a large gap between melee Rogues with and without this token)

Rare:
+1 Dagger of the Sun (+3 vs Undead!)
+1 Dwarven Battle Axe (Or a similar token if there will be no Giants)
+1 Dwarven Throwing Hammer (Or a similar token if there will be no Giants)
Dagger of Arcane Luck (or similar token opened to more classes and letting only Wizards reslide)
Dwarven Half Plate
Greater Holy Symbol or Holy Symbol of Pelor
Potion Dwarven Mead (Only if one or more of these effects will occur)
Ring of Brilliance

Uncommon:
Dwarven Sling (Or a similar token if there will be no Giants)
Dwarven Throwing Hammer (Or a similar token if there will be no Giants)
Earcuff of Intellect (or a new UC saves earcuff that includes at least +1 will if this is no longer good enough)
Masterwork Holy Symbol
Ring of Enervation
Potion Dwarven Ale
Potion Dwarven Pilsner

Common:
Dwarven Rations
Dwarven Stout Staff (Or a similar token if there will be not Giants)
Salve of Restoration (only if there will be undead touch attacks)

Artisan:
Dwarven Beard Ring :P

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #18

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #19

Endgame wrote:

Dergidan wrote:

Endgame wrote:

WaterSomePlants wrote: Love to see the return of the +2 Assassin’s Crossbow and Shield of the Scholar in 2021!

Given how crazy Rogue damage can get with the Assassin's crossbow, I would like to see this one reprinted, but the 3x damage qualified as natural 20 only.


I'd be extremely disappointed with something like this after spending YEARS on a ranged build and blowing all of my transmute goods last year on the Rogue relic almost entirely for the expanded crit range, to finally put me into doing competetive (useful) amounts of damage, and only when I crit on a sneak attack.

Is it really so awful that a Rogue can do 5th place damage under special circumstances?

I have dedicated a large number of slots to the ranged portion of my build and still do much less damage than the fighters, monk, and ranger are doing. Nobody in my groups has ever complained when I hit a lucky crit and do an extra 30 or so damage.

Assassin's Crossbow is fine as is I.M.O.


Fred's reports of his rogue regularly hitting 120-135 damage twice / room is really out of place for class damage ( www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=569&id=245490&start=0 ). Grand scheme, the Rogue's role is the only class that is beneficial to puzzle rooms, and the class overall should be in the damage range of the cleric / bard, NOT Monk and Ranger..


For 1-2 hits per room. Updating Nerfing the rogue's BiS range weapon seems like a convo for another thread.

And can't the druid also get the puzzlebox clue?

+1 for the crossbow and/or nightshades.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #20

Endgame wrote:

Dergidan wrote:

Endgame wrote:

WaterSomePlants wrote: Love to see the return of the +2 Assassin’s Crossbow and Shield of the Scholar in 2021!

Given how crazy Rogue damage can get with the Assassin's crossbow, I would like to see this one reprinted, but the 3x damage qualified as natural 20 only.


I'd be extremely disappointed with something like this after spending YEARS on a ranged build and blowing all of my transmute goods last year on the Rogue relic almost entirely for the expanded crit range, to finally put me into doing competetive (useful) amounts of damage, and only when I crit on a sneak attack.

Is it really so awful that a Rogue can do 5th place damage under special circumstances?

I have dedicated a large number of slots to the ranged portion of my build and still do much less damage than the fighters, monk, and ranger are doing. Nobody in my groups has ever complained when I hit a lucky crit and do an extra 30 or so damage.

Assassin's Crossbow is fine as is I.M.O.


Fred's reports of his rogue regularly hitting 120-135 damage twice / room is really out of place for class damage ( www.truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=569&id=245490&start=0 ). Grand scheme, the Rogue's role is the only class that is beneficial to puzzle rooms, and the class overall should be in the damage range of the cleric / bard, NOT Monk and Ranger..


The Monk and Ranger that I run with regularly do much more damage than that and aren't reliant on a sneak attack to do it.

Doing that kind of damage requires an investment in a lot of ranged damage enhancing tokens, the ability to crit on demand (made easier if you have the Legendary, sure) and it has to happen on the sneak attack.

I have found that the usefulness of the rogue box clue varies widely from room to room and I don't feel it's justification enough to classify the Rogue as a support class.

The link you posted didn't work for me. I'd like to read it. I'd also be interested in seeing the numbers for Rogues at varying levels of token collection, starting with just 1 PYP (the crossbow) and up.

The main thing for me, is that last year was the first year that sliding as the group's Rogue felt like it actually made a difference. I don't want that to go away after investing in it.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #21

Lequinian wrote: ...Nerfing the rogue seems like a convo for another thread...


Perhaps you're right.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #22

Turkey Leg
Vial of Ink
Alchemist's Pouch
I came here to sing and collect tokens, and I'm alllll out of money.

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #23

IS: Sapphire Prism
IS: Beryl Prism
IS: Lavender Ellipsoid
Potion Dwarven Mead
Twolf’s Helm of the Wild
Wolf Totem Armor
Ring of the Wolf

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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 1 month 3 weeks ago #24

+1 to all of these:

Endgame wrote: UR
+2 Staff of Power
Mad Evoker's Charm
Shield of the Scholar
Mithral Gauntlets
Dougal's Cloak of the Stars
IS Sapphire Prism
Nightshade’s +2 Short Sword

Rare
Charm of Enlightenment
Ring of Reflexes
Ring of Brilliance
+1 Sling

Uncommon
Footman Set
Ring of Enervation
Earcuff of Intellect

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