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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 4 weeks ago #25

Jeff,

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #26

Thank you Jeff for all the work you do for our entertainment..

Has there been an image drop yet ..if so can someone point me in the right direction??

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #27

Rizzen wrote: Thank you Jeff for all the work you do for our entertainment..

Has there been an image drop yet ..if so can someone point me in the right direction??

+1, I was wondering when would be a good time to ask this since Gencon is literally at the doorsteps.

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #28

I apologize having realized I'm dumb and missed the part about the images being dropped on Monday...sorry for my inpatients and jumping the gun here :/

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #29

Its all good. The lenses drop back down to a +3 so it saves me some cash...!

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #30

Lordoftherealm wrote: Its all good. The lenses drop back down to a +3 so it saves me some cash...!


I'm so with you. The Lenses were truly the biggest disappointment. +2 Dex/VI I was so excited about, everything after was a mess. +4 at least made them worth getting, now it's a complete pass.
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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #31

JACKOFTRADZE wrote:

Lordoftherealm wrote: Its all good. The lenses drop back down to a +3 so it saves me some cash...!


I'm so with you. The Lenses were truly the biggest disappointment. +2 Dex/VI I was so excited about, everything after was a mess. +4 at least made them worth getting, now it's a complete pass.


Honest question here: what made the +4 dex vesion so valuable that the +3 version doesnt accomplish? Like, what are you comparing them to such that now they arent good enough?
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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #32

kurtreznor wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote:

Lordoftherealm wrote: Its all good. The lenses drop back down to a +3 so it saves me some cash...!


I'm so with you. The Lenses were truly the biggest disappointment. +2 Dex/VI I was so excited about, everything after was a mess. +4 at least made them worth getting, now it's a complete pass.


Honest question here: what made the +4 dex vesion so valuable that the +3 version doesnt accomplish? Like, what are you comparing them to such that now they arent good enough?


Sure, I'll give you an honest answer. The short version: Lenses of the Fae and needing specific weapons to make this work while making this targeted to a very small pool of players.

I absolutely preferred the +2/VI version, every change in the last 3 rounds, to me, were/are colossal duds that really missed the mark (Pun intended). On the personal level, the change came late so it was extra jarring to me seeing the campaign to kill it because it was suddenly considered OP (See Ranger Legendary & 25% of this years UR Tokens as slot expanders but this was considered a major OP issue?). It was the Token I looked most forward to, I can admit personal disappointment is a partial factor. That said, stepping back, it still does not make any sense.

The +4 was ok, the extra +1 Dex at least gave a little incentive to consider switching from the Fae Lenses to increase Dex, I still was not thrilled or sold but I was open to it. I preferred less Dex and no weapon restriction. The Fae lenses are what I am comparing this Token to as a baseline, they are better for everyone except Bow/Crossbow Rogues. I see this token as a big missed opportunity and very limited from where it was at most of the development.

Hopefully that explains my rationale even if you disagree.
"The Dreams of Youth are the Regrets of Maturity."

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 3 weeks ago #33

JACKOFTRADZE wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

JACKOFTRADZE wrote:

Lordoftherealm wrote: Its all good. The lenses drop back down to a +3 so it saves me some cash...!


I'm so with you. The Lenses were truly the biggest disappointment. +2 Dex/VI I was so excited about, everything after was a mess. +4 at least made them worth getting, now it's a complete pass.


Honest question here: what made the +4 dex vesion so valuable that the +3 version doesnt accomplish? Like, what are you comparing them to such that now they arent good enough?


Sure, I'll give you an honest answer. The short version: Lenses of the Fae and needing specific weapons to make this work while making this targeted to a very small pool of players.

I absolutely preferred the +2/VI version, every change in the last 3 rounds, to me, were/are colossal duds that really missed the mark (Pun intended). On the personal level, the change came late so it was extra jarring to me seeing the campaign to kill it because it was suddenly considered OP (See Ranger Legendary & 25% of this years UR Tokens as slot expanders but this was considered a major OP issue?). It was the Token I looked most forward to, I can admit personal disappointment is a partial factor. That said, stepping back, it still does not make any sense.

The +4 was ok, the extra +1 Dex at least gave a little incentive to consider switching from the Fae Lenses to increase Dex, I still was not thrilled or sold but I was open to it. I preferred less Dex and no weapon restriction. The Fae lenses are what I am comparing this Token to as a baseline, they are better for everyone except Bow/Crossbow Rogues. I see this token as a big missed opportunity and very limited from where it was at most of the development.

Hopefully that explains my rationale even if you disagree.


That is pretty much it!

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 2 weeks ago #34

Jeff Martin wrote: Sigh...I really messed this one up. I am sorry if some of you are offended that we would make changes after the deadline. You have a fair point, and next year I will email a warning to some folks to make sure they get their input in before the deadline. I am now making up the final TIFF files to send to the factory on Monday. I made some tweaks due to your feedback, and I hope it all is fine. We can't change them now! We will post the final "we already sent them to the factory -- so don't point out an issue now" set of images Monday afternoon. I did reverse some of the changes, and I bumped up the now Charm slot Key (since it takes a Charm slot now).

Thanks again for putting up with all the shenanigans and changes. I am lucky to have such a great group of folks willing to provide such excellent feedback.

-- Jeff

Have the images dropped in another post or are we waiting until after gencon to unveil them?

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 2 months 2 weeks ago #35

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Rizzen wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Sigh...I really messed this one up. I am sorry if some of you are offended that we would make changes after the deadline. You have a fair point, and next year I will email a warning to some folks to make sure they get their input in before the deadline. I am now making up the final TIFF files to send to the factory on Monday. I made some tweaks due to your feedback, and I hope it all is fine. We can't change them now! We will post the final "we already sent them to the factory -- so don't point out an issue now" set of images Monday afternoon. I did reverse some of the changes, and I bumped up the now Charm slot Key (since it takes a Charm slot now).

Thanks again for putting up with all the shenanigans and changes. I am lucky to have such a great group of folks willing to provide such excellent feedback.

-- Jeff

Have the images dropped in another post or are we waiting until after gencon to unveil them?


The are in the main treasure Tokens section (one level up from here)

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UPDATE Sunday 5:55pm Central 1 month 3 weeks ago #36

When do we expect Pre Orders to begin for the 2020 set. Early Oct?

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