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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #1

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Here are the big shinies. We made more changes than I planned, but the feedback was very good. See Notes for more info on why we made some of these changes. We upped the AC bonus for the Lucky armor, and we are giving the Arcane set a cooler bonus. This way melee types have a set and spellcasters have a set. We tweaked the Cook's Hat, too. Tweaked the Lenses, too because Raven always has good ideas.

UR "Arcane" Set: Wearing all three of these items grants a caster the power to not mark off the first spell that character throws in a game.

UR "Lucky" Set: Wearing any two of these items increases the wearer's maximum HP by 5.

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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #2

Hi Jeff,

I'm surprised the AC on the Lucky set went up - they seem pretty overpowered now, especially with the set bonus. The previous level seemed just right. The Arcane set bonus is pretty awesome, I might have to outfit all the spellcasters with this set now.

Thanks for removing the "Monk only" restriction for the returning Shurikens.

Thanks,
Mike
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I like the revision on Cook's Hat. It seems more balanced and useful to new players.

I don't like the addition of the Monk's FoB to the blade. Daggers/short blades are a weapon monks can use, but haven't normally been a 'Monk Weapon'.

Given the revision to the Lenses of the Archer, I am guessing/hoping they can no longer be exchanged for Vital Sight?
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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #4

Mike Steele wrote: Hi Jeff,

I'm surprised the AC on the Lucky set went up - they seem pretty overpowered now, especially with the set bonus. The previous level seemed just right. The Arcane set bonus is pretty awesome, I might have to outfit all the spellcasters with this set now.

Thanks for removing the "Monk only" restriction for the returning Shurikens.

Thanks,
Mike


+1

Powering back up to almost relic level again
Hard choice between the relic shield and the UR shield.
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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #5

Pretty bummed on the change to the lenses. There are only 11 bows ever printed that the rogue can even use, and the uncommon one coming out in this set and last years common bow are the only ones printed since 2014.

I cannot see anyone actually picking this up. A UR that you’ll have to use an uncommon weapon for just to sneak at range. I can’t see that replacing a UR crossbow that I just picked up last year.

I assume most rogues will use Heimdall Sight (or whatever lenses they already had) over this UR. So many better URs to get for your build then +2dex at eye slot.
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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #6

Mike Steele wrote: Hi Jeff,

I'm surprised the AC on the Lucky set went up - they seem pretty overpowered now, especially with the set bonus. The previous level seemed just right. The Arcane set bonus is pretty awesome, I might have to outfit all the spellcasters with this set now.

Thanks for removing the "Monk only" restriction for the returning Shurikens.

Thanks,
Mike


Agreed on the redoubt - relic +5 ac redoubt shield is worse than ur +4 ac + 1 sAves lucky shield in my estimation - and there is very little distance between them.
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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #7

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Hi Jeff,

I'm surprised the AC on the Lucky set went up - they seem pretty overpowered now, especially with the set bonus. The previous level seemed just right. The Arcane set bonus is pretty awesome, I might have to outfit all the spellcasters with this set now.

Thanks for removing the "Monk only" restriction for the returning Shurikens.

Thanks,
Mike


Agreed on the redoubt - relic +5 ac redoubt shield is worse than ur +4 ac + 1 sAves lucky shield in my estimation - and there is very little distance between them.


Agreed that the shield should be 3ac. I might ditch Blessed Shield for this at 4ac.
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Flik wrote: Pretty bummed on the change to the lenses. There are only 11 bows ever printed that the rogue can even use, and the uncommon one coming out in this set and last years common bow are the only ones printed since 2014.

I cannot see anyone actually picking this up. A UR that you’ll have to use an uncommon weapon for just to sneak at range. I can’t see that replacing a UR crossbow that I just picked up last year.

I assume most rogues will use Heimdall Sight (or whatever lenses they already had) over this UR. So many better URs to get for your build then +2dex at eye slot.


I agree with this. If there's any restrictions, make it only work with crossbows.
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Ultra Rare 2020 Token Images - Final-ish 4 months 3 days ago #9

The arcane set bonus is huge. Possibly too big. Also, I can see plenty of melee types wanting to equip this set.
I love the changes to Cook's hat. Should definitely see play now, and not nearly as limiting as before.
The armors do seem too good.
I really, really dislike the lenses change. I don't necessarily want to trade in, but I don't want only bows on there. Crossbows would be better, no limit was better still. Just as good as before for non-rogues, with a major nerf to Rogues. Please, please consider changing this back, or, if a limit is necessary, limit to crossbows.
Like the change on the monk ring.
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Flik wrote: Pretty bummed on the change to the lenses. There are only 11 bows ever printed that the rogue can even use, and the uncommon one coming out in this set and last years common bow are the only ones printed since 2014.

I cannot see anyone actually picking this up. A UR that you’ll have to use an uncommon weapon for just to sneak at range. I can’t see that replacing a UR crossbow that I just picked up last year.

I assume most rogues will use Heimdall Sight (or whatever lenses they already had) over this UR. So many better URs to get for your build then +2dex at eye slot.


+1

Absolutely awful last minute change. Please, remove the restrictions to the Lenses. The Vital Sight token has been OOP for so long. (I like how there were no issues reprinting the Charm of Brooching in a year with too many slot expanders but all of a sudden this one became an issue on the 6th round (because resell Rea$on$)

This was my most desired token of 2020, it's off my list. This development cycle went on far too long.
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JACKOFTRADZE wrote: (I like how there were no issues reprinting the Charm of Brooching in a year with too many slot expanders but all of a sudden this one became an issue on the 6th round (because resell Rea$on$)

This was my most desired token of 2020, it's off my list. This development cycle went on far too long.


Ascribing motive to a choice is a dangerous thing to do. I agree that this token should be changed back, or just don't do a trade in.

I'm actually glad he didn't just list this as the final final set.
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Flik wrote: Pretty bummed on the change to the lenses. There are only 11 bows ever printed that the rogue can even use, and the uncommon one coming out in this set and last years common bow are the only ones printed since 2014.

I cannot see anyone actually picking this up. A UR that you’ll have to use an uncommon weapon for just to sneak at range. I can’t see that replacing a UR crossbow that I just picked up last year.

I assume most rogues will use Heimdall Sight (or whatever lenses they already had) over this UR. So many better URs to get for your build then +2dex at eye slot.


Yeah, i didnt realize how long it had been. Im sure i have an old +1 short bow mu rogue could use...but why?

How about the lenses can work with any bow (ie also crossbows). If the limitation was to prevent sneaking with thors hammer at range?
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