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Fiddy wrote: I strongly suggest dropping the Ring of the Drake for a GoFF reprint since it looks like we're sticking with including the GoFF ability at Relic/Legendary. All other class-specific UR->Relic->Legendary paths build off the UR, whereas this one takes a 180-degree turn.

Save the Returning-granting effect for a different token next year (and maybe with a broader application than Shuriken).

I agree with most of this. The argument that the tokens should flow naturally up the transmute path is a really good one, rather than the weird dissonance that exists for shuriken to totally not shuriken.

When I speak of interesting ideas over more of the same, returning on shuriken is an interesting idea. It is the only thing I like on the Ring, and it really should be part of a shuriken token.

Consider an UR that was:

Charm of Shuriken Mastery
(no class restriction as shuriken already restrict classes)
+3 dmg with Shurikens. Monk: Shurikens gain Returning effect.

I don't mind things like more damage when it pushes towards a different type of build (like polymorph damage does). This sort of thing also screams UR to me as it opens up different abilities, but I imagine it would be more likely that a shuriken booster gets printed at rare (if at all) just so that URs can be mostly "good stuff".

Flik wrote: We agree that no set bonus is needed but if there is one we need to up the power to UR level honestly.

Well, we agree on half of that.

Flik wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote: -50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance

Won't happen as Jeff removed this power from the ROSP to make dungeon design easier.

Fair enough I forgot that. Do you have any suggestions on how to change it. When I get home I’ll look up all set bonuses on PHB or something to try to come up with better suggestions. Stuck at work until 1800 though :/

Hopefully I didn't come off as harsh, was just a quick reply as I am at work. I think a focus bonus or +healing scroll or +wand damage might be a good one.

FiannaTiger wrote:

Flik wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote: -50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance

Won't happen as Jeff removed this power from the ROSP to make dungeon design easier.

Fair enough I forgot that. Do you have any suggestions on how to change it. When I get home I’ll look up all set bonuses on PHB or something to try to come up with better suggestions. Stuck at work until 1800 though :/

Hopefully I didn't come off as harsh, was just a quick reply as I am at work. I think a focus bonus or +healing scroll or +wand damage might be a good one.

No of course I didn’t think it was harsh! I just wanted some other suggestions because TPTB posted that thread saying to be specific today. I was trying to give alternatives.

Flik wrote: I like some of the proposed changes:

-Make Arcane Belt +2 to focus (drop melee dmg). This is more in line with the name.

-Drop spell dmg from Ring of the Drake. Make it for physical dmg only.

I like these changes proposed above. I also like making the Monk UR a reprint of Gloves of the Flying Fists.

And now I'm going to throw out a curveball idea on the Arcane set. Convert them to Cabal items!

• Belt of the Cabal: +2 to damage & healing spells
• Earcuff of the Cabal
• Move Arcane Bracelets to another slot (head? Makes sense for ioun stone slot expander to me)

My reasoning: nobody really likes the new set power, and people like the Cabal set more than the Cabal items themselves. Now we get new ways to get the 3-piece set bonus, and you can mix and match these three items with the original 3 items. Cabal items were printed in 2013 so I think you could argue it is time.

Kirk Bauer wrote:

Flik wrote: I like some of the proposed changes:

-Make Arcane Belt +2 to focus (drop melee dmg). This is more in line with the name.

-Drop spell dmg from Ring of the Drake. Make it for physical dmg only.

I like these changes proposed above. I also like making the Monk UR a reprint of Gloves of the Flying Fists.

And now I'm going to throw out a curveball idea on the Arcane set. Convert them to Cabal items!

• Belt of the Cabal: +2 to damage & healing spells
• Earcuff of the Cabal
• Move Arcane Bracelets to another slot (head? Makes sense for ioun stone slot expander to me)

My reasoning: nobody really likes the new set power, and people like the Cabal set more than the Cabal items themselves. Now we get new ways to get the 3-piece set bonus, and you can mix and match these three items with the original 3 items. Cabal items were printed in 2013 so I think you could argue it is time.

I like everything except the head slot idea. Keep the bracelets. There is a nice symmetry with the ear and wrist slot choices.

I love the cabal set idea. Maybe we could call it Arcane cabal bracers or bracelets?

Wade Schwendemann wrote: I love the cabal set idea. Maybe we could call it Arcane cabal bracers or bracelets?

Ioun Bracelets of the Cabal?
Armlet of the Cabal?
Bangel of the Cabal?

Would be the first set that would have an internal choice for a slot, which is pretty cool.

Charm of Glory is awesomesauce! I can switch out my Gloves of Glory for Blessed Tempest Gloves!

I like the Arcane items as they are (bracelets/belt/earcuff). Please don't switch anything to the overcrowded head slot.

Changing the Arcane items to Cabal items could be interesting. Would love to get the Cabal set bonus with stronger individual tokens.

OK, I revise my suggestion. Keep the Arcane items to Cabal items and don't change their slots. We'll just need a creative name for the Arcane Bracelets.

From a selfish coaching standpoint, I like adding fewer new set bonuses.

Kirk Bauer wrote: OK, I revise my suggestion. Keep the Arcane items to Cabal items and don't change their slots. We'll just need a creative name for the Arcane Bracelets.

Wristlet of the Cabal?