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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #13

These tokens seem correct, and well designed.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #14

I strongly suggest dropping the Ring of the Drake for a GoFF reprint since it looks like we're sticking with including the GoFF ability at Relic/Legendary. All other class-specific UR->Relic->Legendary paths build off the UR, whereas this one takes a 180-degree turn.

Save the Returning-granting effect for a different token next year (and maybe with a broader application than Shuriken).
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #15

Milambus (Jake) wrote:

Endgame wrote: Bracers of Reckless Fury - Glad the 2H trigger is back. For long term players (both old current players and newbs planning long term purchases), this is probably always going to lose to slot expander wrist items.


Disagree. The best Charms or Ioun Stones would be +2 Strength and +2 Damage. +6 damage is better.

If you're shooting for max damage, yes this is better today, but barely. Given the set as designed, you go with charm bracelets and add Charm of Glory (using Ring of Brilliance) and Draco-litch charm or Greater Onyx Charm. This is +5 damage or +1 hit and +4 damage.

Next year (or whenever) when a relic or legendary damage ring is released, or a +3 str charm, or a +4 2H damage charm, etc, is released you exceed the +6 damage from the bracers.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #16

I like some of the proposed changes:

-Make Arcane Belt +2 to focus (drop melee dmg). This is more in line with the name.

-Drop spell dmg from Ring of the Drake. Make it for physical dmg only. Make a spell ring (focus?!) next year.

Arcane set:

-I would say that most people who have commented agree that the bonus is not good. If we make change the belt to focus and stick to an “arcane caster” set, here are some proposed set bonuses. Note some may be too strong:

-+1 to focus
-50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance
-+2 to healing/dmg from all scrolls and Wanda
-cannot be surprised
-cannot be silenced
-Earcuff of understanding effect

I tried to think of some rare niche token abilities to make into the set bonus, I.e. Earcuff of understanding. But that might be too underwhelming so it may need a couple.

Thoughts?
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #17

Endgame wrote:

Milambus (Jake) wrote:

Endgame wrote: Bracers of Reckless Fury - Glad the 2H trigger is back. For long term players (both old current players and newbs planning long term purchases), this is probably always going to lose to slot expander wrist items.


Disagree. The best Charms or Ioun Stones would be +2 Strength and +2 Damage. +6 damage is better.

If you're shooting for max damage, yes this is better today, but barely. Given the set as designed, you go with charm bracelets and add Charm of Glory (using Ring of Brilliance) and Draco-litch charm or Greater Onyx Charm. This is +5 damage or +1 hit and +4 damage.

Next year (or whenever) when a relic or legendary damage ring is released, or a +3 str charm, or a +4 2H damage charm, etc, is released you exceed the +6 damage from the bracers.


So a token that may or may not get made might make the slot expanders better at some point in the future. Sure, I agree.

But at the time of printing (in 2020) the +6 damage is best, unless you really want the +1 to hit for -2 damage.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #18

Flik wrote: I like some of the proposed changes:

-Make Arcane Belt +2 to focus (drop melee dmg). This is more in line with the name.

-Drop spell dmg from Ring of the Drake. Make it for physical dmg only. Make a spell ring (focus?!) next year.

Arcane set:

-I would say that most people who have commented agree that the bonus is not good. If we make change the belt to focus and stick to an “arcane caster” set, here are some proposed set bonuses. Note some may be too strong:

-+1 to focus
-50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance
-+2 to healing/dmg from all scrolls and Wanda
-cannot be surprised
-cannot be silenced
-Earcuff of understanding effect

I tried to think of some rare niche token abilities to make into the set bonus, I.e. Earcuff of understanding. But that might be too underwhelming so it may need a couple.

Thoughts?


Isn't the arcane set good enough without any bonus? I'm good with the current one honestly.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #19

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Flik wrote: I like some of the proposed changes:

-Make Arcane Belt +2 to focus (drop melee dmg). This is more in line with the name.

-Drop spell dmg from Ring of the Drake. Make it for physical dmg only. Make a spell ring (focus?!) next year.

Arcane set:

-I would say that most people who have commented agree that the bonus is not good. If we make change the belt to focus and stick to an “arcane caster” set, here are some proposed set bonuses. Note some may be too strong:

-+1 to focus
-50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance
-+2 to healing/dmg from all scrolls and Wanda
-cannot be surprised
-cannot be silenced
-Earcuff of understanding effect

I tried to think of some rare niche token abilities to make into the set bonus, I.e. Earcuff of understanding. But that might be too underwhelming so it may need a couple.

Thoughts?


Isn't the arcane set good enough without any bonus? I'm good with the current one honestly.


Sure it’s good enough. So don’t name them all Arcane items and don’t include a set bonus.

But TPTB seem to want to make it a set with a bonus. And currently the bonus doesn’t promote anything at all. If they want to make it a bonus that drives usage and sales, it should be a better one. This will be the worst bonus in the history of set bonuses if it stays printed as is. And why is the worst bonus ever printed on three URs? Uncommon set bonuses are better.

I’m fine with no bonus actually.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #20

-50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance

Won't happen as Jeff removed this power from the ROSP to make dungeon design easier.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #21

FiannaTiger wrote: -50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance

Won't happen as Jeff removed this power from the ROSP to make dungeon design easier.


Fair enough I forgot that. Do you have any suggestions on how to change it. When I get home I’ll look up all set bonuses on PHB or something to try to come up with better suggestions. Stuck at work until 1800 though :/
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #22

Flik wrote:

FiannaTiger wrote: -50% to bypass enemy’s Magic Resistance

Won't happen as Jeff removed this power from the ROSP to make dungeon design easier.


Fair enough I forgot that. Do you have any suggestions on how to change it. When I get home I’ll look up all set bonuses on PHB or something to try to come up with better suggestions. Stuck at work until 1800 though :/


I've got you covered. All set bonuses are available on this forum post:
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=5&id=98300#98300
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #23

Flik wrote: This will be the worst bonus in the history of set bonuses if it stays printed as is.

I’m fine with no bonus actually.


Have you seen the Mountain Dwarf set? Granted that was common and this is UR.

Either way, I'm good with the current bonus. I agree it won't drive token sales, but as it happens, the tokens themselves will do that.
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Almost Final Ultra Rare Token Images! Please give these your look-see! 1 month 3 days ago #24

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Flik wrote: This will be the worst bonus in the history of set bonuses if it stays printed as is.

I’m fine with no bonus actually.


Have you seen the Mountain Dwarf set? Granted that was common and this is UR.

Either way, I'm good with the current bonus. I agree it won't drive token sales, but as it happens, the tokens themselves will do that.


Wow I hadn’t heard of that set before but honestly -1 cold damage is better than the proposed set bonus. Especially in the N modules.

We agree that no set bonus is needed but if there is one we need to up the power to UR level honestly.
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