TOPIC: Feedback In Regards to Treasure Pulls/Draws

This feels like a theoretical issue rather than an actual one.

If a player were to do this even once, it would very likely be quickly reported and dealt with.

Wade Schwendemann wrote: This feels like a theoretical issue rather than an actual one.

If a player were to do this even once, it would very likely be quickly reported and dealt with.

What do you mean 'dealt with'? They are following the established rules. If 'dealt with' means the rule gets changed, i will try to set aside the time to do this next origins.
How about instead, the procedure just gets changed preemptively so there isnt a loophole?

kurtreznor wrote: With enough skill and time, they will be able to pull most of the best tokens and leave a significantly higher percentage of uncommons.

I'm pretty sure the treasure guardians would get wise to that type of shenanigans pretty quickly.

Having been a participant in several personnel policy rewrites, I can say with assurance that you can not write any policy that is 100% proof against being gamed. That’s why we have management.

Druegar wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: With enough skill and time, they will be able to pull most of the best tokens and leave a significantly higher percentage of uncommons.

I'm pretty sure the treasure guardians would get wise to that type of shenanigans pretty quickly.

What shenanigans? If the policy is to allow players to choose which treasure they keep if too many come out of the box, then doing so is following the rules.

PLEASE CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT THIS IS NOT ALLOWED!

kurtreznor wrote:

Druegar wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: With enough skill and time, they will be able to pull most of the best tokens and leave a significantly higher percentage of uncommons.

I'm pretty sure the treasure guardians would get wise to that type of shenanigans pretty quickly.

What shenanigans? If the policy is to allow players to choose which treasure they keep if too many come out of the box, then doing so is following the rules.

PLEASE CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT THIS IS NOT ALLOWED!

If I get a legendary and an uncommon on a pull like that, you are going to have to wrestle it away from me.

Harlax wrote:
If I get a legendary and an uncommon on a pull like that, you are going to have to wrestle it away from me.

Gaming it would be to do 1 pull at a time so each one is your last pull. So you see twice as many tokens as you should and get to pick the best out of every other pull. So I can see a reason for changing it, but maybe it will take someone actually do it before it is changed.

How much trouble do you think we would get in if we did this at GHC just to illustrate that it could be abused? Similar to how someone illustrated how the backs of the tokens could be felt when they changed a few years ago.

kurtreznor wrote:

Druegar wrote:

kurtreznor wrote: With enough skill and time, they will be able to pull most of the best tokens and leave a significantly higher percentage of uncommons.

I'm pretty sure the treasure guardians would get wise to that type of shenanigans pretty quickly.

What shenanigans? If the policy is to allow players to choose which treasure they keep if too many come out of the box, then doing so is following the rules.

PLEASE CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT THIS IS NOT ALLOWED!

“Not explicitly against the rules” != “allowed”

It is not specifically against the rules that I make a 2 minute appropriation to pelor before each draw, however if I did so I would be told: you are holding up the line, you need to draw faster. If I refused, td management would deal with the situation somehow or other - probably by doing my draws for me after I refused to speed up.

Similarly, if I hop from tresure generator to generator redeeming 1x chips and laboriously stirring the wand and slowly removing it I expect to get told: you can’t do that.

jedibcg wrote:

Harlax wrote:
If I get a legendary and an uncommon on a pull like that, you are going to have to wrestle it away from me.

Gaming it would be to do 1 pull at a time so each one is your last pull. So you see twice as many tokens as you should and get to pick the best out of every other pull. So I can see a reason for changing it, but maybe it will take someone actually do it before it is changed.

How much trouble do you think we would get in if we did this at GHC just to illustrate that it could be abused? Similar to how someone illustrated how the backs of the tokens could be felt when they changed a few years ago.

This whole scenario assumes that you have a large stack of single treasure tokens. That is typically not how they are handed out. For those getting Max treasure, you get 2 tens and a one. You can’t play the game with that configuration. If someone asks for 21 single tokens, they should be refused.

Harlax wrote:
This whole scenario assumes that you have a large stack of single treasure tokens. That is typically not how they are handed out. For those getting Max treasure, you get 2 tens and a one. You can’t play the game with that configuration. If someone asks for 21 single tokens, they should be refused.

I owe some people single treasure chips, is it okay if I get my pulls in singles so I can can pay them back? Asked once it would probably not be refused.

Harlax wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Harlax wrote:
If I get a legendary and an uncommon on a pull like that, you are going to have to wrestle it away from me.

Gaming it would be to do 1 pull at a time so each one is your last pull. So you see twice as many tokens as you should and get to pick the best out of every other pull. So I can see a reason for changing it, but maybe it will take someone actually do it before it is changed.

How much trouble do you think we would get in if we did this at GHC just to illustrate that it could be abused? Similar to how someone illustrated how the backs of the tokens could be felt when they changed a few years ago.

This whole scenario assumes that you have a large stack of single treasure tokens. That is typically not how they are handed out. For those getting Max treasure, you get 2 tens and a one. You can’t play the game with that configuration. If someone asks for 21 single tokens, they should be refused.

We didn't actually get treasure chips on any of our GENCON runs. They never had enough of them so we just got all our tokens in the epilogue room.