TOPIC: Email update from GHC

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Yesterday's Wisconsin Supreme Court decision declaring the Governor's stay at home order illegal significantly muddies the waters. It is very unclear what authority government now has to impose restrictions. On the other hand, GHC still has to make a decision about what is safe and sensible.

I do think GHC is doing a much better job of communicating than GC is.

jedibcg wrote: I do think GHC is doing a much better job of communicating than GC is.

Agree. The last GenCon email I got was March 12th, and prior to that I'd been getting 1 every week or every other week. Now silence for 9 weeks. I've gotten 3 from GameHoleCon in that time.

Am I the only one that was shocked when Origins communicated clearly, had a plan and dates for those plans, then followed through?

For the con that, for many years, seemed to just be thrown together without any real organization - they absolutely nailed the landing on this one.

Fred

Fred K wrote: Am I the only one that was shocked when Origins communicated clearly, had a plan and dates for those plans, then followed through?

For the con that, for many years, seemed to just be thrown together without any real organization - they absolutely nailed the landing on this one.

Fred

The plan involved not using Origin's system. Which generally works well as a plan.

Fred K wrote: Am I the only one that was shocked when Origins communicated clearly, had a plan and dates for those plans, then followed through?

For the con that, for many years, seemed to just be thrown together without any real organization - they absolutely nailed the landing on this one.

Fred

I wasn’t surprised GAMA figured out a plan for origins

My guess is that Origins and GenCon have different situations with insurance, contractual obligations, etc, that might explain the difference in responses.

For example, perhaps Origins has insurance coverage for pandemics but GenCon does not. Or perhaps the room block situation prevents GenCon from just rescheduling like Origins did.

If GenCon cancels the event they might be on the hook for obligations with the ICC, but perhaps if the ICC cancels the event then GenCon is off the hook?

That was kind of the way it was with me and some plane tickets. If I canceled it I only got a credit, but if I waited for the airline to cancel them then I got a refund.

Kirk Bauer wrote: My guess is that Origins and GenCon have different situations with insurance, contractual obligations, etc, that might explain the difference in responses.

For example, perhaps Origins has insurance coverage for pandemics but GenCon does not. Or perhaps the room block situation prevents GenCon from just rescheduling like Origins did.

If GenCon cancels the event they might be on the hook for obligations with the ICC, but perhaps if the ICC cancels the event then GenCon is off the hook?

That was kind of the way it was with me and some plane tickets. If I canceled it I only got a credit, but if I waited for the airline to cancel them then I got a refund.

I actually think the odds are at least 50/50 at this point that GENCON will be held, with precautions like social distancing, masks, etc. It sounds like Indiana will be giving the green light to conventions by 4 July, as long as cases and deaths don't spike too much by then. I suspect that both GENCON and Indiana get enough revenue from GENCON that they'll find a way to hold it.

Mike Steele wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: My guess is that Origins and GenCon have different situations with insurance, contractual obligations, etc, that might explain the difference in responses.

For example, perhaps Origins has insurance coverage for pandemics but GenCon does not. Or perhaps the room block situation prevents GenCon from just rescheduling like Origins did.

If GenCon cancels the event they might be on the hook for obligations with the ICC, but perhaps if the ICC cancels the event then GenCon is off the hook?

That was kind of the way it was with me and some plane tickets. If I canceled it I only got a credit, but if I waited for the airline to cancel them then I got a refund.

I actually think the odds are at least 50/50 at this point that GENCON will be held, with precautions like social distancing, masks, etc. It sounds like Indiana will be giving the green light to conventions by 4 July, as long as cases and deaths don't spike too much by then. I suspect that both GENCON and Indiana get enough revenue from GENCON that they'll find a way to hold it.

An interesting distinction to make here... The state is basing their decisions on the number of hospitalizations, not cases. This may seem like a minor difference, but as they have more capacity to test, there is a decent likelihood of starting to catch a higher number of the asymptomatic cases. So total cases may go up at the same time as the number of hospitalizations, ICU usage, and deaths goes down.

The annoying thing about this distinction is that the number of hospitalizations still hasn't been added to the primary coronavirus dashboard of information. You have to check out the Regenstrief dashboard to see how that is trending.

GHC really just impressed me with their response, especially in comparison to GenCon.

I understand it's a difficult situation, but I'd like some update from GenCon soon. If it happens, I will probably go and then tell work I'm WFHing for the two weeks after GenCon to ensure I'm healthy, which I expect them to understand.

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Kirk Bauer wrote: My guess is that Origins and GenCon have different situations with insurance, contractual obligations, etc, that might explain the difference in responses.

For example, perhaps Origins has insurance coverage for pandemics but GenCon does not. Or perhaps the room block situation prevents GenCon from just rescheduling like Origins did.

If GenCon cancels the event they might be on the hook for obligations with the ICC, but perhaps if the ICC cancels the event then GenCon is off the hook?

That was kind of the way it was with me and some plane tickets. If I canceled it I only got a credit, but if I waited for the airline to cancel them then I got a refund.

I actually think the odds are at least 50/50 at this point that GENCON will be held, with precautions like social distancing, masks, etc. It sounds like Indiana will be giving the green light to conventions by 4 July, as long as cases and deaths don't spike too much by then. I suspect that both GENCON and Indiana get enough revenue from GENCON that they'll find a way to hold it.

An interesting distinction to make here... The state is basing their decisions on the number of hospitalizations, not cases. This may seem like a minor difference, but as they have more capacity to test, there is a decent likelihood of starting to catch a higher number of the asymptomatic cases. So total cases may go up at the same time as the number of hospitalizations, ICU usage, and deaths goes down.

The annoying thing about this distinction is that the number of hospitalizations still hasn't been added to the primary coronavirus dashboard of information. You have to check out the Regenstrief dashboard to see how that is trending.

Isn't one of the main factors the availability of ICU Beds and Ventilators? That info is on the Dashboard.

There is a discussion thread over on the Gen Con forums that one of the staff is regularly involved in. It does not have any more information but does give a location for you to get in touch if you have a specific question about yourself.

At this time everyone is stuck in a wait and see moment. Gen Con is scheduled to make another announcement in about 2-3 weeks I believe.

Sadly at this time, even if things go ahead Australians will not be able to travel to the US till the end of year at the earliest, limitations on travel are expected to be there for up to another 2 years.

This would have been my 16th Gen Con and my 12th year of True Dungeon.

Missing the GT run is painful but above all not seeing my mates over there hurts most of all