TOPIC: Missed GenCon, Game Hole Con exp for 2016?

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Change plans how. GHC is retro dungeons. There has never been any announcements about xp at GHC or WYC.

/tossgasolineonfire

Ok... just to make things INTERESTING... /duckbehindDefenderShield...

The email I got from TD about GHC does say it includes a new adventure. Not sure which one is new and which one(s) isn't/aren't. /confusedaboutemail

Please don't hate me... but maybe someone who is in a better position or just isn't confused like me, could give some clarification about this?

Thanks

Look at the GHC site. It is a retro dungeon. Or scroll to where I posted the description.

Sorry that was in the info thread.

'This event is a "best of" adventure comprised of fan-favorite rooms from previous adventures.' Retro dungeon.

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

There was discussion about WYC giving EXP this year. Jeff mentioned allowing lower level people to gain EXP at WYC. It seems like a good idea to allow EXP to show up at any combination of the 3 yearly events to give the whole playerbase equal footing on leveling. Especially considering how expensive GenCon is becoming lately.

I would express it as retro rooms but a new adventure. They've mixed and matched old rooms to create something both new and retro. So it depends on who's trying to hype the game and what they are trying to promote.

Otherwise, I'm fine with people getting XP for a couple of different adventures a year. But then I'm against the elitist attitude of making people have to attend GenCon for the XP or of trying to stay ahead of everyone on some leaderboard. If it's easier to get XP at other events then that works in your favor if you have a problem getting to GenCon some year, and nobody is ever going to catch you if you do the max XP each year. Sure, it's harder to overcome anyone else on the list but at the high levels you have to resign yourself to the idea that all of those people will always be making it to GenCon and getting their full XP. So don't worry about it.

Lodestone (KH) wrote: I would express it as retro rooms but a new adventure. They've mixed and matched old rooms to create something both new and retro. So it depends on who's trying to hype the game and what they are trying to promote.

Otherwise, I'm fine with people getting XP for a couple of different adventures a year. But then I'm against the elitist attitude of making people have to attend GenCon for the XP or of trying to stay ahead of everyone on some leaderboard. If it's easier to get XP at other events then that works in your favor if you have a problem getting to GenCon some year, and nobody is ever going to catch you if you do the max XP each year. Sure, it's harder to overcome anyone else on the list but at the high levels you have to resign yourself to the idea that all of those people will always be making it to GenCon and getting their full XP. So don't worry about it.

In the past this has been desribed as a retro dungeon. WYC 2015 and WYC 2016. Not an official term just what we have been calling them. If somineone doesn't pull up the oldxp thread before tomorrow I will look for it.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

There was discussion about WYC giving EXP this year. Jeff mentioned allowing lower level people to gain EXP at WYC.

I remember that but I thought in the end it was decided retros don't give xp. Again I could ne remembering wrong. I am stuck on my phone till tomorrow so searching is a pain.

When I went to WYC this year I was not aware of the no exp until I did my first run and didn't receive exp. As someone who had never done a single one of those puzzles or combats I was saddened that my efforts would not help me reach level 5 (I very much want a token of nobility) I think that earnin exp for the retro dungeons once is a good idea, especially for newer players who have never done those rooms before. I am pretty sure ghc will also not reward exp, but now I know that is the norm. If they start doing it next year you could code the xp based on what year the room is from.

Heres what I mean: each year when you imputed xp you say what story you did and where you survived to. So if you die in the 7th room on puzzle side you haven't solved that puzzle right. So you could code the xp for each room based on what year it was from so room one is 2007 room 2 is 2011 room 3 is 2008 and so on. Then you can earn exp based on which rooms you haven't seen. So me starting next year I've never seen anyone before 2015 so I would earn exp for each room. But someone who played every year except 2011 would earn only the exp for that room. So it's still balanced between the players new and old. This wat they can rotate the rooms out more and offer more retro dungeons from more years to kep things interesting for the old players but also show the new players what the dungeons were like in past years and the exp get a little more even but not so much that I'll catch up in the span of a year to everyone who has been doing this since the beginning.

I'm not sure if any of this is even pausible but it is an idea that I think could work and still make everyone happy. I know some people go to wyc for the treasure and transmutes to have a better chance at genconand have more time to visit with everyone since it is a much smaller con. I hope this is the same for ghc when I go later this year!

I could support an XP cap of 4K per year, but...

I would not want people to get to it by doing 4 normal runs. That devalues Nightmare.
I would prefer it to be the XP from no more than 2 runs.

I would support additional XP if True Realm ever came back.


I imagine there is concern about devaluing GenCon or harming attendance and ticket sales there. Not to mention the volunteer pool impact.

I found the thread it was discussed in. It is in the L&L section so not everyone can see it. Looking over it now.


I found Jeff's proposal from WYC 2016 but I don't see that he ever commented on it.


Just for the record this is the last thing I said about it:
"I agree they [the rewards given, xp, loot, and such] shouldn't be the same but if it is a unique dungeon (which this year it is not) it should be some xp. And I am even for a cap on top of that. If someone only gets to go to WYC or GHC this year and are above level 3 I think they should be able to get XP. "

jedibcg wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote: I thought, maybe wrongly, retro dungeons do not give xp. If there are ever new dungeons at other cons then maybe (big maybe) they will.

If thats the case (which I doubt) Jeff needs to let us know asap so those of us who care about xp can frantically change our plans.

Change plans how. GHC is retro dungeons. There has never been any announcements about xp at GHC or WYC.

Change plans as in there are probably some people who arent going to be able to make a 3rd con this year who might suddenly have to figure out how to pull together the money to make it happen if XP was on the line.

Honestly Im already a little bummed GHC is going to be offering a second dungeon after we were told earlier it would have the same redux dungeon as WYC. And for the contrarions, yes while it was never explicitly stated that was all it would have, it was heavily implied both cons would in effect be the same. Im sure travel budgets besided my own were allocated based on this understanding.