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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 5 days ago #25

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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #26

Here's the thing about allowing more items to be used, it doesn't give the player something they can't already do. What it does do it speed up the time in which they are allowed to do it. The only reason why this matters is that combats don't last all that long. I personally think allowing people to use more tokens is healthy. Most free action usage goes to burning consumables. I think encouraging folks to use consumables is healthy for the game.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #27

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Good stuff!

What I would like now is for you guys to tell me how you now perceive things are done with regard to free and standard actions. Please give me examples of pretty normal sequences that most players would use, and then the "best sleazes" you can pull to make the most of your round using certain tokens.

And also, in events like True Grind, do they allow you to prep something with a free action for use in the next round? Like "Hey, I did my standard attack, and now I am using my free action to swap to a missiles weapon that I'll use next round -- allowing me to have a free action at the end of the second round I can use for something else."

Finally, I am open to having different (more complicated) rules for True Grind if that is what it takes to have easy rules for most DMs and players during the adventures, and more combat-oriented (complicated) rules for True Grind.

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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #28

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My most common free actions are Lens of divine sight, ring of spell storing m, bracers of zephyr and pouch of tulz. The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight. Throw in casting a spell normally and bracers of zephyr and we'll 3 spells a round 2 of them doubled while one could be bless or prayers for a general buff.

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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #29

“Normal” current scenarios (my perception)

First round:
I start with Lyre of Echoes
SA - Bard song
FA - switch Lyre to Sword
Second Round:
SA - swing
FA - switch to Lyre

I think that counts as “equipping to use next round”

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Or:
Any round starting with Baton of Focus and Shield of Scholar equipped
FA - use scroll with Shield
SA - cast a spell or smack something with Baton

Or:
FA - Tulz a Bull’s
SA - swing/turn undead/cast/drink Cat’s

I’m having a hard time thinking of a scenario I consider “broken” or exploitive, but maybe I’m not imaginative enough.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #30

James J Krot wrote: ...The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight...


Denied. Per TokenDB, RoSS and LoDS both require a Free Action to activate, so you can’t do both in the same round.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #31

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Brad Mortensen wrote:

James J Krot wrote: ...The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight...


Denied. Per TokenDB, RoSS and LoDS both require a Free Action to activate, so you can’t do both in the same round.


I get that under old rules but if lens of divine sight were instantaneous then I could. I assume we were basing this on the earlier post of rules changed.

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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #32

James J Krot wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

James J Krot wrote: ...The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight...


Denied. Per TokenDB, RoSS and LoDS both require a Free Action to activate, so you can’t do both in the same round.


I get that under old rules but if lens of divine sight were instantaneous then I could. I assume we were basing this on the earlier post of rules changed.


Sorry for the confusion. Please just give me your comments using the current rules as you see them. Thanks.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #33

Jeff Martin wrote:

James J Krot wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

James J Krot wrote: ...The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight...


Denied. Per TokenDB, RoSS and LoDS both require a Free Action to activate, so you can’t do both in the same round.


I get that under old rules but if lens of divine sight were instantaneous then I could. I assume we were basing this on the earlier post of rules changed.


Sorry for the confusion. Please just give me your comments using the current rules as you see them. Thanks.


Even under the suggested it wouldn't let you. RoSS and LoDS are not slotless not do either allow you to retrieve an item. So I don't know how they would apply under the suggested change.

That said I still have questions about all the tokens I quoted on the first page.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #34

With the current rules, I have a bunch of tokens I can't use because combat doesn't last long enough for me to get enough rounds in.

For example,
Round 1 use free action to get free scroll from shield of scholar
Round 2 use free action from pouch of tulz for Bull str
Round 3 use free action from Shirt of the fae for cat's grace...oh wait combat over now what a waste.


As for weapon swaping because it requires a free its hard to combo it with anything, but you could do something like
Round 1 with Widseth's equiped, drink 2 potions using Stu's +3 Stein, Slide stein for attack
Round 2 switch stein for Viper Fang as free action, then attack with it.

Another example*
Round 1 with Staff of Power equipped Cast Alertness, free action switch to Staff of Focus

* with the ruling that the free action must come in the same round this action is no longer valid.
Free - standard = ok Standard - Free = not ok.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #35

jedibcg wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

James J Krot wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

James J Krot wrote: ...The biggest cheese if you can use the ring of spell storing and then double the effects with lens of divine sight...


Denied. Per TokenDB, RoSS and LoDS both require a Free Action to activate, so you can’t do both in the same round.


I get that under old rules but if lens of divine sight were instantaneous then I could. I assume we were basing this on the earlier post of rules changed.


Sorry for the confusion. Please just give me your comments using the current rules as you see them. Thanks.


Even under the suggested it wouldn't let you. RoSS and LoDS are not slotless not do either allow you to retrieve an item. So I don't know how they would apply under the suggested change.

That said I still have questions about all the tokens I quoted on the first page.


Under the current rules many of the items you mention we assume (perhaps incorrectly) that they are out and ready already. To take one of your examples
Greater Mistletoe doesn't have a hands icon so it can't be equipped. If it has to be ready'd using a free action druids would have to decide if they want to the +1 damage or a free action use that round.
Same with the dust.
Same with Ammunition

I know its not currently played like that.
Currently if you want to drink a potion as a standard action you can.
Currently if you want to use ammo you just use it without action of any kind.
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Feedback on Rules Clarification 3 years 4 days ago #36

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for the feedback everyone. Good stuff!

And also, in events like True Grind, do they allow you to prep something with a free action for use in the next round? Like "Hey, I did my standard attack, and now I am using my free action to swap to a missiles weapon that I'll use next round -- allowing me to have a free action at the end of the second round I can use for something else."

Thanks for the feedback!


All DM's i've encountered to date have allowed swapping to missiles or melee as you've described above.
In fact I didn't know you couldn't do it until this thread.
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