Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: Official Statement on Treasure Enhancers

Official Statement on Treasure Enhancers 3 years 3 months ago #146

Ro-gan wrote: I've been following these insane threads since TDC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't counterfeit Tokens. The term "counterfeit" came up in a post describing CoA's being used simultaneously in multiple Runs at the same time.


There are counterfeit tokens. Or were, a couple (three?) years back. I have seen them. I have handled them. They feel (physically) different, but look quite similar (especially in low light.) To the best of my knowledge, True Dungeon staff acted very quickly once they became aware of the situation, and nipped it in the bud. I haven't seen any counterfeits since.

They were not counterfeit Treasure Enhancers (not the ones I saw). So perhaps the concern about Counterfeit TE's is not warranted.

But perhaps it is.

After all, if one person decided the financial incentive was sufficient to risk creating a counterfeit, then odds are good someone else will do the same - especially if they think they can get away with it.

This is distinct from the concern that people are using legitimate, non-counterfeit tokens, but using them in questionable ways: by lending them to multiple parties at once, or by renting them out to strangers when they aren't even going on the run themselves.

I understand TD's desire to create a process which addresses all of these concerns.
"THERE WILL NEVER BE A TOKEN EQUAL TO A GOOD BRAIN!"- Smakdown

Check out these awesome resources:
Cranston's Character Generator for iDevices or Android
Amorgen's Excel Character Generator
And the ever-useful Token DataBase , expertly maintained by Druegar.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Raven.

Official Statement on Treasure Enhancers 3 years 3 months ago #147

  • Ro-gan
  • Ro-gan's Avatar
  • Offline
  • 9th Level
  • Supporter
  • He's No Use To Me Dead.
  • Posts: 1939

Raven wrote:

Ro-gan wrote: I've been following these insane threads since TDC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't counterfeit Tokens. The term "counterfeit" came up in a post describing CoA's being used simultaneously in multiple Runs at the same time.


There are counterfeit tokens. Or were, a couple (three?) years back. I have seen them. I have handled them. They feel (physically) different, but look quite similar (especially in low light.) To the best of my knowledge, True Dungeon staff acted very quickly once they became aware of the situation, and nipped it in the bud. I haven't seen any counterfeits since.

They were not counterfeit Treasure Enhancers (not the ones I saw). So perhaps the concern about Counterfeit TE's is not warranted.

But perhaps it is.

After all, if one person decided the financial incentive was sufficient to risk creating a counterfeit, then odds are good someone else will do the same - especially if they think they can get away with it.

This is distinct from the concern that people are using legitimate, non-counterfeit tokens, but using them in questionable ways: by lending them to multiple parties at once, or by renting them out to strangers when they aren't even going on the run themselves.

I understand TD's desire to create a process which addresses all of these concerns.


Sorry, Raven. My post was in reference to counterfeit Tokens at TDC only.

You are correct in your post. That is why we have different colored Token backs now.
"It's treason then."



Cranston's Character Generator for iDevices or Character Generator for Android

Amorgen's Excellent Excel Character Generator

Have you checked the Token DataBase ?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Official Statement on Treasure Enhancers 3 years 3 months ago #148

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Incognito wrote:

Kim Lindgren wrote: If you cannot trust the volunteer in order to hand them the token to confirm it's legitimacy then there are much larger problems for all parties concerned. I mean are we getting to the point that we place such a financial value on tokens that a regular volunteer will no longer be able to man the treasure box because of trust issues between players and volunteers?


Unfortunately, it looks like we are headed in that direction. :(

We have multiple players who are concerned about simply removing their treasure enhancers from their binders or sleeves.

We have multiple players who are concerned about having someone else (even someone they know or one of their friends) carrying the treasure enhancers throughout the dungeon.


It sounds like you think people are concerned they can't trust their friends not to take their tokens. If so, that's not what I thought people were saying, and certainly not what I said. I'm concerned about tokens getting accidentally lost in the process of taking them out of the binder and having 10 different people carrying them through the dungeon. Especially when 9 of those people have no affinity for tokens. That's almost a guarantee that some CoA will get lost by someone eventually. I'm certainly not worried my friends will steal them. I will think twice before letting someone I don't know and trust carry them, which is I'm sure what Jeff was aiming for.


No, it sounds like you don't trust in the competence of your friends to not lose something you entrust them with.

Trust isn't just about stealing (or the lack thereof). Trust is also about reliability and dependability.


All true, but I don't see its relevance.

My sister-in-law is late for everything. She was planning on coming over today at 9am. She arrived at 2.

Doesn't make her a bad person. But if we are going to a 7pm movie, we plan on dinner at our place first. And she's always late for that, and we go to the movie and eat after. She is not responsible, dependable, trustworthy (if a clock is involved) or least of all punctual.

But she's family, and we aren't cutting ties with her, and we aren't creating drama by pretending she can meet us at the theatre at 6:45. We accommodate her shortcoming, and she accommodates ours.

So I'd never tell people they should only have friends who are perfect, because then they'd never have any.


I agree with you Brad.

Not trusting someone does not necessarily imply any sort of moral judgment nor should it automatically be taken as a personal insult.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Official Statement on Treasure Enhancers 3 years 3 months ago #149

  • Harlax
  • Harlax's Avatar
  • Away
  • 8th Level
  • Supporter
  • Baruk Khazad!
  • Posts: 7428

Mike Steele wrote: This is more expensive but it might do the job if it has a neckband in it.

www.amazon.com/Hempmania-Hemp-Key-Chain-Pouch/dp/B005YXZ5E4/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&qid=1493609820&sr=8-27&keywords=key+pouch


Speaking of expensive...

www.thetileapp.com/en-us/products
D&D teaches all the important lessons in life - the low blow, the cheap shot, the back stab, the double cross. - Jerry Marsischky

Let them trap us. We have our swords. - Elric of Melnibone.

You try to get them to play the game, but all they want to do is play the rules. - Ardak Kumerian

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend - Faramir

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.169 seconds