TOPIC: Is Spell Resistance Going Away?

I supposed I ought to have said, "Currently, there are no plans to do away with SR" because it's always possible for that to change in the future. But as of this writing, I have heard no discussions going that route.

Druegar wrote: I supposed I ought to have said, "Currently, there are no plans to do away with SR" because it's always possible for that to change in the future. But as of this writing, I have heard no discussions going that route.

Is it safe to assume DR is in the same boat as SR?

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Are spell resistance and damage resistance on other tokens also affected?

SR/DR on other tokens are not affected by the change to the Elemental Eldritch set bonus change.

I'm somewhat surprised that Spell Resistance is not going away entirely, particularly given this part of Jeff's quote:

That just makes for a cleaner game while not affecting the net combat stats at all.

If Spell Resistance is staying, then how are we not affecting the net combat stats when the Eldritch Set bonus changes?

Asking for a friend. As a Cleric I'm not likely to cast much in the way of attack spells anyways.

Fiddy wrote: If Spell Resistance is staying, then how are we not affecting the net combat stats when the Eldritch Set bonus changes?

Sorry, I don't think I'm understanding your question. How would you ask it of a 12 year old? (That's pretty much my mental level and absolutely my maturity level. )

In my mind, SR will still be manageable because it can no longer be completely ignored. Post EE revision, nothing completely bypasses generic SR. The percentage-based reducers are capped (e.g., Charm of the Cabal, Rod of Disjunction) and anything that "completely" bypasses it are restricted to a specific energy type (e.g., Tempest or Ymir Runestones.)

Druegar wrote:

Fiddy wrote: If Spell Resistance is staying, then how are we not affecting the net combat stats when the Eldritch Set bonus changes?

Sorry, I don't think I'm understanding your question. How would you ask it of a 12 year old? (That's pretty much my mental level and absolutely my maturity level. )

In my mind, SR will still be manageable because it can no longer be completely ignored. Post EE revision, nothing completely bypasses generic SR. The percentage-based reducers are capped (e.g., Charm of the Cabal, Rod of Disjunction) and anything that "completely" bypasses it are restricted to a specific energy type (e.g., Tempest or Ymir Runestones.)

I think they do, but to verify, do the Rod of Disjunction and the Charms of the Cabal stack, so that wearers of the Charm of Cabal could get -50% max on Spell Resistance? Or is there a max percentage that Spell Resistance can be reduced? I'd recommend there be a max, in case additional tokens are introduced which reduce Spell Resistance.

I think I'm going to wait to see how this plays out next year and trust that Jeff will handle it appropriately. All I remember prior to the eldritch set taking care of spell resistance is that the monsters I faced failed exactly one spell resistance test in three years. It kind of got frustrating to even be a wizard and have nothing get through at nightmare level. Not to mention that DMs having to check every spell to see if they succeed does slow down combat. But it's not the kind of test you're going to waive off when it's all or nothing.

Dave wrote: I think I'm going to wait to see how this plays out next year and trust that Jeff will handle it appropriately. All I remember prior to the eldritch set taking care of spell resistance is that the monsters I faced failed exactly one spell resistance test in three years. It kind of got frustrating to even be a wizard and have nothing get through at nightmare level. Not to mention that DMs having to check every spell to see if they succeed does slow down combat. But it's not the kind of test you're going to waive off when it's all or nothing.

Yes - if Spell Resistance is going to come back in future adventures - I would rather it affect the amount of HP that gets through as opposed to an all or nothing roll. I know my friends that play Wizards are worried about spending combats basically doing nothing as roll after roll goes against them.

If instead 50% spell resistance meant 50% of the damage gets through - that can still be a powerful effect for a monster but not result in players feeling like they stood around for 12 minutes doing nothing at all.

Just be ready for more classes to melee or range combat instead of spells in order to get more combat rounds in within 12 minutes.

Mike Steele wrote: do the Rod of Disjunction and the Charms of the Cabal stack

The PHB says:
Stacking: When two effects can combine with one another, they are said to "stack." In general, if the effect comes from a differently-named source (often a token), the effects stack. E.g., the Strength bonus from Girdle of Hill Giant Strength and Gloves of the Brute stack with one another because they come from different sources. There are very few differently-named effects that don't stack. The token itself or the TDb will explain when effects do not stack.

I'm certain you looked up Rod of Disjunction and the Charm of the Cabal in the TDb. Was there anything in their descriptions that mentioned not stacking with other token effects?