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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #13

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waytoomuch.

Regarding your comments, I agree with you.

In fact, the Ring of Featherfalling was the first correction I would have made going through it a second time. It will be worth more like 200gp I think, or more.

The Gauntlets I am split over. It is a great item for the fighter classes (Fighter, Paladin, Ranger) and even perhaps the Rogue depending on starting strength. Will this give a bonus to damage or just modify strength? I think we need to wait until the Token Guide is released for description but I would be inclined to think this will be one of the more valuable items.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #14

The official Token Guide will be posted on this site on Friday, so stay tuned for that. It will contain info on how each token is run in TD, and it should help with a lot of your questions. Note that we actually tweaked a few of the tokens after good feedback from our players, so be sure to read the whole thing. Some tokens have changed.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #15

waytoomuch.

The Gauntlets I am split over. It is a great item for the fighter classes (Fighter, Paladin, Ranger) and even perhaps the Rogue depending on starting strength. Will this give a bonus to damage or just modify strength? I think we need to wait until the Token Guide is released for description but I would be inclined to think this will be one of the more valuable items.


Well I assume it will increase the to hit / damage by 1, similar to d20 rules. So maybe you are correct - in this aspect it could be seen as worth more than any single melee weapon, as it basically makes any melee weapon into a +1 weapon.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #16

I think the Magic Missle and Burning grasp scrolls are way undervalued, my suggestion would be at least 3 time higher price. It is 100% likely that wizards will have multiple chance to use these spells. I would think any wizard would want to have 3 or 4 available to them.

The Rare weapons are likely undervalued especially the cash price. If I am paying $20.00 to play a game, I would happily pay more than $2.00 to have a better weapon.

The rest of the stuff, especially the rare tokens, need the complete description before we can have a better guess on the prices.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #17

The Token Guide v1.0 will be released this Friday (4/15). That should help greatly with price setting.
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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #18

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George,

Thanks for the comment. Here was my thinking.

Scrolls are a one-shot thing. But you have to look at the game-play impact. In combat, a wizard can attack (e.g. swing a staff, etc.) or cast a spell. Shocking Grasp and Burning Hands do 6pts each. Magic Missle does 4pts. MM is probably an auto-hit. Not sure how the mechanics with work with SG and BH but they are inplace of a swing (1-6) maybe (2-7) averaging 3.5 and 4.5 respectively. For arguments sake, with say a 50% chance of hitting with the staff and 100% chance with the spell; you are talking about a maximum difference of (2hp vs 6hp) or 4pts of damage extra.

So, how much is one shot of 4pts of damage in combat worth to adventurers? Given that you only get roughly 20gp per bag, I think wizards might pick one up for this amount... maybe a little more. Perhaps 20gp is more accurate.

For the rare weapons, I think the emphasis will be on getting the +1 weapons. Also keep in mind that the Rare weapons (X-bow, great Axe, Great sword, long bow) will only be usable by a limited number of classes.

What does everyone else think?
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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #19

Douglas,
You make an interesting assumption which is that everything will be paid for in Gold. Given the limited amount of gold, your prices may be very accurate. However if there is an opportunity to buy either items or gold with dollars (at a rate other than 20gp per $10 bag), I think the prices may go much higher.

And you are right that if a mage can/must melee, a melee weapon is more cost effective than a spell. However in two of the battles last year, the spider and the mage, the casters were not in melee range and their only option was spell casting. The scolls are likely to be much more useful than any ranged weapon mages are allowed (assuming mages are allowed a ranged weapon).

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #20

I appreciate all your work. I think you have some great logic behind the pricing. I also thought the offensive MU scrolls might be worth a little more than you listed but I understand the reasoning.

Armor seems a little skewed. Full plate only changes armor class by one over half plate yet it is worth almost 6 times as much. I think your rare armor even though usable by only a few classes is worth more compared to the very rare plate. I would think for a fighter type it would be worth at least half of what full plate is and go down from there.

Just some thoughts--but great work.


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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #21

Armor seems a little skewed. Full plate only changes armor class by one over half plate yet it is worth almost 6 times as much. I think your rare armor even though usable by only a few classes is worth more compared to the very rare plate. I would think for a fighter type it would be worth at least half of what full plate is and go down from there.


Depends on the situation. A +1 to AC can be very valuable in certain circumstances. For example, take a BAB 0 critter attacking someone with AC 20 (full plate and a large shield) versus someone with AC 18 (half plate and a small shield). The chance that it will hit the AC20 person is only 1/3 of that of the AC18 person. A little AC can go a long way at the upper AC levels.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #22

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Just two quick comments (a lot of my plate presently).

On the 1/2 vs. Full plate, also keep in mind the rarity. There will be 3 times as many available and less demand for the 1/2 plate. And don't forget the "bling" factor of having the best armor. :) But again, these are just starting values.

For the $ prices, the average GP VALUE per bag came out to like 300g based on the approximations. Given that 30gp roughly equals $1. When the Token Guide comes out tomorrow, we can break it all down. But this is good feedback and the prices will likely change as a result of it.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #23

Is there going to be a place where we can trade at GenCon? The answer to my NPC trading question confused me. It implied that only people playing would have access to the tavern.

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Treasure Token Price Guide 15 years 5 months ago #24

Hi George,

Personally, I will be frequenting the tavern in the evening as much as I can, just for the fun of it. I will be in costume and will be a non playing gamer, but more for local color than anything else. But I will trade with anyone who would like to sit down and dicker. That being said, I don't plan to sell tokens for cash in competition with TD. I will trade for gold, gems, or other item tokens as a part of the role play for atmosphere in the town adventure. I am sure I might have some items I want to move where I might be cheaper than the blacksmith or apothecary, or I might be more expensive, if I have them and they are out of stock.

In addition--I have a booth in GenCon to sell my books. Anyone would be welcome to stop by and not only support a starving author, BUT trade tokens outside of the tavern. As soon as I get my booth number, I will post it so you can drop by.

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