TOPIC: Stacking effects Net and Tanglefoot

Quick question will the effects of the Net (-2AC) stack with Tanglefoot Bag (-2AC)?<br />Thanks, greyseer

I could see that going towards the negative - cuz if you are tangled up in something - it would not matter if it was once or twice...

Shows what you know about being tied up eh Gary <br /><br />I know that in general the tokens do seem to stack although they don't stack with duplicates of themselves ... like if you wear a ring of reflexes (+4) that it stacks with boots of sure footing (+2) ... so it would make sense that those would stack too ... coz TD does not assign a character to the type of bonus/penalty ...

Tied up - well yes - it has been some time...<br /><br />But in this case I think I am using best Boyscout skillz and right in saying two things that tangle don't stack.  Would not mind being wrong though!<br /><br />

I will think about it and get back to you.<br /><br />Dave

<br />Shows what you know about being tied up eh Gary <br /><br />I know that in general the tokens do seem to stack although they don't stack with duplicates of themselves ... like if you wear a ring of reflexes (+4) that it stacks with boots of sure footing (+2) ... so it would make sense that those would stack too ... coz TD does not assign a character to the type of bonus/penalty ...<br />

<br />Are you sure of that? Because I understood the +4 Fort Save bonus of the Troll Hide armor would stack with the Ring of Fort (+4) and the +2 save of the Cloak of Resistance (thus +10 Fort Save).  And last year I know that any +4 Save ring did stack with the +2 Cloak (giving +6).  Of course its a new year and new rules could come out.<br /><br />Here is why I asked, in 3.5 (which we know TD is Loosely based on, so nothing is certain) both items (Net and TFB) entangle the target (-2 to Attack -4 to Dex).  Entanglement is a Condition (page 300 DMG).  If more than one condition affects a character apply them all.  If certain effects can't combine, apply the most severe effect.  So I was not sure if the 2 effects could combine or not?  Logic says if you get more and more entangled the worse the condition the gets until immobilized (imagine many hunters using a net to bring down a foe), but logic does not always apply to fantasy worlds with wizards and abbarations and the deadly rules lawyer.<br />

It's been completely variable. Things like mage armor not stacking with armor. The idea being they're the same benefit and you can only have one. Since both the net and bag have the same effect, to immobilize, it should produce the same penalty. That makes the most sense anyway.

Pfft.  Look at you all.  Looking to see what makes "sense" or is "realistic" in a game with rules.<br /><br />I learned long ago that most games have rules that don't make sense or are realistic.  What it comes down to is game balance.  If the creators think that it won't harm balance, they'll stack, if they think it'll gimp the critters too much, they won't stack.  If they find out they're wrong, they'll switch the rule around for next time.  Every time a group runs the dungeon, it's more play-testing and they get to see what worked and what didn't.  That's why TD gets better every year and gains more adherents every year.<br /><br />Granted, we get to weigh in with our opinions to(hopefully) sway their minds in one direction or another.<br /><br />In my opinion, they shouldn't stack.  The critters, so far, have been killable without using any entanglement of any kind.  Making them even easier to kill is not something that should be sought at this time.

I also would think they should not stack since they effectively do the same thing - but I think an affected creature should need to free itself from the items individually.  So, if the creature escapes from the net, it could still be held by the tanglefoot bag, and be at -2.

Rules lawyer ... now don't go there coz I don't know too many who rival my 3.5 recollection of useless information ... the difference with 3.5 and TD is that in 3.5, in almost all situations any particular bonus or penalty had a "characteristic" ascribed to it ... e.g. Cloak of Resistance +2 = +2 resistance bonus which does not stack with other resistance bonuses ... where "resistance" is the "characteristic" of the bonus ... however if you had a luckstone +1 = +1 luck bonus to saves which would stack because "luck" is a different "characteristic" than "resistance" ... <br /><br />TD's never taken the stance of ascribing a characteristic to their bonuses ... which in my opinion (ascribing a "characteristic") really does make things a pain in the neck ... I remember a few years back when there was a question about Bracers of Ogre Power stacking with the Girdle of Hill Giant Strength ... based on my recollection, they stacked and they both provide strength bonus ... so applying the same principle, there's no reason the net and tanglefoot bag shouldn't stack ... <br /><br />But of course, I don't determine these things ... I'm just making a suggestion regarding applying consistency across the stacking issue ...

Using that sort of reasoning though, there's no reason you couldn't blind people multiple times either. The easiest way to go about it is a common sense approach. Anyone can usually figure that one out.

Wait - are you saying people have common sense?<br />I'm shocked!<br /><br />(I think it is horribly lacking in most people.)