TOPIC: Dragonscale

My hope (and dare I hope) is that all you fiends with your 304 AC and your +tons of fire resistance meet up with a lightning bolt or 4 in the upcoming TD. You may be hard to hit, but you all dance the electric dance just the same  =D. I admit I am a bit jealous that the best AC items are not fighter type exclusive. I mean what motivation is there to play a fighter anymore? I play a paladin and have spells and an awesome holy sword, that makes me cool enough. But the poor fighter can only be as good an AC as the druid, and has no spells to speak of. So maybe he does 1-2 more points of damage or gets lucky with a power attack, but the druid has nifty spells to sling around plus the AC of the best possible fighter. I guess the only thing I look forward about dragonscale to is watching the various teams fight over which token collector gets to play the druid. Related to this I hope that the fighter gets some elevation in the future and the druid gets powered back just a bit. Or sling some lightning bolts, that works for me too so the druid does not feel impenetrable.<br />

I've already suggested/requested that the DS helm not be druid enabled. The last thing that class needs is more AC.<br /><br />What really puts the druid out of whack though is its dex bonus. There's no good reason for a druid to be +3 IMO. In fact, its stats are completely FUBAR'ed in general:<br /><br />Rogue: <br />STR: 10<br />DEX: 16<br />CON: 10<br />INT: 11<br />WIS: 11<br />CHA: 10<br /><br />Pointbuy: 22<br /><br />Druid:<br /><br />STR: 10<br />DEX: 16<br />CON: 14<br />INT: 11<br />WIS: 18<br />CHA: 14<br /><br />Pointbuy: 43<br /><br />I mean, wth? The druid has almost double the stats of the rogue. I can only imagine that was a mistake somewhere along the line. Drop the druid down to a 22 point buy and all of a sudden, it looks a little mroe reasonable.

wow thanks Henwy.. I never looked at it like a point build. You are indeed correct on that, and I agree with your assessment.

I find it interesting that we've gotten to the point that we're complaining about a player character being too powerful.<br /><br />Kim

Figured I'd do the rest of the classes while I was at it:<br /><br />Monk: 37<br /><br />Wizard: 22<br /><br />Ranger: 24<br /><br />Paladin: 24<br /><br />Fighter: 19<br /><br />Cleric: 26<br /><br />Bard: 24<br /><br />Barbarian: 21

<br />I find it interesting that we've gotten to the point that we're complaining about a player character being too powerful.<br /><br />Kim<br />

<br /><br />Eh? We hit that point practical the day the forums started. There have been around a dozen threads over the years comparing the player classes for balance.

Kim,<br />I think Tanks have always had a problem with CHARs like the Bard and Druid being better AC'd than Tanks...

My point is that there have probably been more complaints about the druid than anything else.  As long as that person contributes to the success of the party I could care less that their AC is higher than mine.  Good for them.<br /><br />Kim

<br />My point is that there have probably been more complaints about the druid than anything else.  As long as that person contributes to the success of the party I could care less that their AC is higher than mine.  Good for them.<br /><br />Kim<br />

<br /><br />Again, check through the archives. The druid hasn't even come close yet to the discussions about the overpowered bard back in the mage armor stack days. At least the druid requires URs to get obscene. All the bard needed were a couple rares.

I don't mind the Druid being higher in the point build, since many of the other classes play a more important role in True Dungeon (Fighter/Paladin/Barbarian set up for combat, which is half the rooms in some dungeons, many items specifically set up for Thieves, etc.), it's an incentive to play the Druid.  When you figure in some of the specialty weapons, some classes like the Barbarian and Paladin can now do significantly more damage in combat than a Druid (or most classes), so it all balances out.  Plus, it's kind of like the Monk, in that if you don't have the Dragonscale items (which most people don't), the Druid is a class that gets by more on the base stats than the tokens.  It's a class that is pretty good for beginning players, pretty mediocre for people with most Rares/Uncommons/Commons, and then really good for the top token buyers.  <br /><br />I see the Dragonscale Helm as being primarily a Druid item, just as many of the other items are class specific towards the other classes.  And there's nothing wrong with that, nearly all the classes are getting some choice items.  Anyone that isn't a Druid is probably better off using a Helm of Clear Thought than the Dragonscale Helm, and using +1 Plate instead of Dragonscale Armor.  <br /><br />I'd guess the extra AC a Druid can get is mostly cosmetic anyway.  I suspect the Druid, Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, and maybe a couple of other classes can all armor up to the point where it takes a critical hit most of the time to hit them.

I don't really get how you reach that conclusion about the whole vital role thing. I can't imagine why people wouldn't snap up the druid just for the additional healing, even if it didn't have a single point of dex above 10.<br /><br />The only class that it seems justifiable to have a larger point buy is the monk because that's the entire point of a monk. They're not supposed to rely on equipment and instead, the compensatory mech is that they have a higher base starting point.

I agree with you H.