TOPIC: Platinum Token Set

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<br />I'll be getting some more tokens this weekend.  I'll let you know if I happen to get anything that's still on your list - I only need one more plat for my collection.<br />

<br /><br />sob - no offer to let me know about PLATs on my list - sob, sob   ;/<br />

<br /><br />That is because you aren't paying 2X for your plats.<br /><br />By the way, what rate are you offering Larry?<br /><br /><br />

<br /><br />You're spoiled by the "John" economy, and that economy has crashed now that he's completed his sets.  I doubt 2x will happen much more for PLATs, unless it's the last one or two someone needs.  Once everyone that is doing sets has completed them, I'd bet PLAT value won't be that much higher than Gold value. 

That's what I thought at first, but I'm coming to see differently. Here's why...<br /><br />For many people, they're often willing to trade their plat but they want a gold of the same token back. Barring a high ticket item, it's almost never worth the time involved to make the swap for something less than a 2x multiplier.<br /><br />To mail any token, I'm paying around a dollar for postage and a dollar for packaging and incidentals. That adds a 2 dollar surcharge to everything. It's hardly worthwhile to do it then unless I'm getting something above and beyond out of it.<br /><br />Ah, but you say, what about high volume deals? The overhead of postage shrinks per token dosen't it? Sure it does, but the problem with trading plats is that people need specific ones. That's the whole point of completing a set after all. The chances that you have many multiple plat tokens that someone needs is not huge unless they're just starting up. <br /><br />You also suggest that perhaps this might be true of those who want a gold back in exchange, but what about those more token affluent who don't need one back? Wouldn't plat trading with them be better? What you have to ask yourself there is what is their incentive to trade you their plat? If they have 3 full platemails, 2 gold and 1 plat, why would they choose to trade you the plat when the return they get on it will be relatively small minus the postage surcharge? It's not like they're getting something really nice for it, and they do have other gold chips to trade instead.

At the start of it, I just wanted to 1) get the plats I wanted; 2) make others happy; 3) pay a decent premium for what is a much "rarer' token than any gold token.<br />By the end of it, I was wishing I wasn't playing 2x for so many friggen plats (3 sets!).  I'm broke with almost no GP and I traded our a few URs.<br /><br />if you're going to examine the economy, let's mention Supply and Demand.<br />JKW:  3 Sets<br />Mike Steel:  1.5 sets<br />Smakdown:  1.5 sets (or is it more?)<br />Gary:  1+ sets<br />I'm sure there are 2-5 others (right?) who have plat sets more silently.<br />Total sets know to exist:  6-10<br /><br />I don't know how many total plat sets exist as we don't know how many tokens were sold.<br /><br />However, we know that at least 6 full sets have been taken out of circulation.<br />This means that the availability of plats has lessened by at least 6 full sets, making it that much rarer to find plats.<br />I would expect that this would drive prices up.  There's a demand (of some sort) and not many plats know to be available.<br /><br />Just started thinking about this in the last day or two.<br /><br /><br />Okay, those who like to talk economics and figures, plesae take the stand.  <br />I know little about it, so I'm sure there will be other opinions.

I imagine it will be like Magic Cards, or even Foil Magic Cards (or even entertainment cards - especially the chase cards - for that matter, which is a better example because there is no "play" value).  When a new set comes out there is pretty heavy demand for cards as people try to complete their sets.  But, if you wait a year or two, and all the collectors have moved on to trying to complete their sets of the newest release, those older cards have plummeted in value.  For older sets, many Foil Magic cards aren't worth much of a premium over the regular versions. 

<br /><br /><br />You're spoiled by the "John" economy, and that economy has crashed now that he's completed his sets.  I doubt 2x will happen much more for PLATs, unless it's the last one or two someone needs.  Once everyone that is doing sets has completed them, I'd bet PLAT value won't be that much higher than Gold value.  <br />

<br /><br />It isn't that I am spoiled by the "John" economy as much as I don't normally do much trading on the forums.  <br /><br />The only reason I got into selling plats was that John offered such a high premium.   At a lower premium, I would not bother to even look to see if I had the plats he was after.<br /><br />So while I understand that you don't want to pay "John" level prices, don't be surprised when you don't get a "John" level response to your trade requests.    <br /><br />

<br />That's what I thought at first, but I'm coming to see differently. Here's why...<br /><br />For many people, they're often willing to trade their plat but they want a gold of the same token back. Barring a high ticket item, it's almost never worth the time involved to make the swap for something less than a 2x multiplier.<br /><br />To mail any token, I'm paying around a dollar for postage and a dollar for packaging and incidentals. That adds a 2 dollar surcharge to everything. It's hardly worthwhile to do it then unless I'm getting something above and beyond out of it.<br /><br />Ah, but you say, what about high volume deals? The overhead of postage shrinks per token dosen't it? Sure it does, but the problem with trading plats is that people need specific ones. That's the whole point of completing a set after all. The chances that you have many multiple plat tokens that someone needs is not huge unless they're just starting up. <br /><br />You also suggest that perhaps this might be true of those who want a gold back in exchange, but what about those more token affluent who don't need one back? Wouldn't plat trading with them be better? What you have to ask yourself there is what is their incentive to trade you their plat? If they have 3 full platemails, 2 gold and 1 plat, why would they choose to trade you the plat when the return they get on it will be relatively small minus the postage surcharge? It's not like they're getting something really nice for it, and they do have other gold chips to trade instead.<br />

<br /><br />I agree with you that you need to throw in something extra, or something the person really wants, in order for it to be worth the person's while to do the trade.  Preferably you can trade the person token/tokens that they are looking for, and that way both parties are happy because they traded for tokens that they were wanting and traded away tokens that they saw as excess.  

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<br /><br /><br />You're spoiled by the "John" economy, and that economy has crashed now that he's completed his sets.  I doubt 2x will happen much more for PLATs, unless it's the last one or two someone needs.  Once everyone that is doing sets has completed them, I'd bet PLAT value won't be that much higher than Gold value.  <br />

<br /><br />It isn't that I am spoiled by the "John" economy as much as I don't normally do much trading on the forums.  <br /><br />The only reason I got into selling plats was that John offered such a high premium.   At a lower premium, I would not bother to even look to see if I had the plats he was after.<br /><br />So while I understand that you don't want to pay "John" level prices, don't be surprised when you don't get a "John" level response to your trade requests.    <br /><br /> <br />

<br /><br />I've already gotten several very nice responses, from people that have tokens that I need and that they're happy to trade, and in each trade both parties have been happy with what they are getting.  I've found that the trading community on True Dungeon is extremely helpful and it really is a joy to be a part of.  <br /><br />By the way, the post that started this whole discussion (at least most recently) was really just a joking post to Jammies.  I'm sure that if she had any PLATs that I needed we wouldn't have any problem working out a trade, just like she helped me with completing my first PLAT set.  <br /><br />Thanks!<br />Mike

I agree, the traders are typically very friendly, courteous, prompt, and helpful.<br /><br />There are a small handful of people who have offered me straight plat version for gold version swaps without any price markup - thank you!<br />A few have agreed to my request for a reduced multiplier, such as 1.5 - thank you!<br /><br />There are also those who wanted 2x - and I appreciate that those people contacted me and were willing to trade to me.<br /><br />I've had few people who either wanted to trade PLAT for PLAT or were ready to do so at the same times I was ready to do so (just a matter of when we each ordered more tokens and when they arrived and what other deals we had going).  As a result, Plat for Plat was the extreme minority of my trades.  Too bad, because, as Mike pointed out, that would probably be the least costly and make the most sense.  (I look forward to synchronizing on these types of transactions with persons next year, assuming I can afford tokens.)<br /><br /><br />

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<br /><br /><br />You're spoiled by the "John" economy, and that economy has crashed now that he's completed his sets.  I doubt 2x will happen much more for PLATs, unless it's the last one or two someone needs.  Once everyone that is doing sets has completed them, I'd bet PLAT value won't be that much higher than Gold value.  <br />

<br /><br />It isn't that I am spoiled by the "John" economy as much as I don't normally do much trading on the forums.  <br /><br />The only reason I got into selling plats was that John offered such a high premium.   At a lower premium, I would not bother to even look to see if I had the plats he was after.<br /><br />So while I understand that you don't want to pay "John" level prices, don't be surprised when you don't get a "John" level response to your trade requests.    <br /><br /> <br />

<br /><br />I've already gotten several very nice responses, from people that have tokens that I need and that they're happy to trade, and in each trade both parties have been happy with what they are getting.  I've found that the trading community on True Dungeon is extremely helpful and it really is a joy to be a part of.  <br /><br />By the way, the post that started this whole discussion (at least most recently) was really just a joking post to Jammies.  I'm sure that if she had any PLATs that I needed we wouldn't have any problem working out a trade, just like she helped me with completing my first PLAT set.  <br /><br />Thanks!<br />Mike<br />

<br /><br />Hee.  True.  When I get my next order, I will most definitely make you a very good deal for anything that I can trade to you.

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<br /><br /><br />You're spoiled by the "John" economy, and that economy has crashed now that he's completed his sets.  I doubt 2x will happen much more for PLATs, unless it's the last one or two someone needs.  Once everyone that is doing sets has completed them, I'd bet PLAT value won't be that much higher than Gold value.  <br />

<br /><br />It isn't that I am spoiled by the "John" economy as much as I don't normally do much trading on the forums.  <br /><br />The only reason I got into selling plats was that John offered such a high premium.   At a lower premium, I would not bother to even look to see if I had the plats he was after.<br /><br />So while I understand that you don't want to pay "John" level prices, don't be surprised when you don't get a "John" level response to your trade requests.    <br /><br /> <br />

<br /><br />I've already gotten several very nice responses, from people that have tokens that I need and that they're happy to trade, and in each trade both parties have been happy with what they are getting.  I've found that the trading community on True Dungeon is extremely helpful and it really is a joy to be a part of.  <br /><br />By the way, the post that started this whole discussion (at least most recently) was really just a joking post to Jammies.  I'm sure that if she had any PLATs that I needed we wouldn't have any problem working out a trade, just like she helped me with completing my first PLAT set.  <br /><br />Thanks!<br />Mike<br />

<br /><br />Hee.  True.  When I get my next order, I will most definitely make you a very good deal for anything that I can trade to you.<br />

<br /><br />Thanks!  Let me know if I can help you out with the last PLAT you're looking for. 

The interesting question to me would be how many tokens did TD print for 2007?  Only 10% of those were platinum, and once you take into account rarity, there would be a Finite # of sets out there...I just don't know what those #'s are<br /><br />Does anyone know if there will be any indication of Year on the 2008 set?  if not, that changes things for the tokens that will be reprinted..

<br />The interesting question to me would be how many tokens did TD print for 2007?  Only 10% of those were platinum, and once you take into account rarity, there would be a Finite # of sets out there...I just don't know what those #'s are<br /><br />Does anyone know if there will be any indication of Year on the 2008 set?  if not, that changes things for the tokens that will be reprinted..<br />

<br /><br />Jeff has said somewhere there will be a new symbol.  I don't think he has made up his mind yet what it will be.