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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #13

#1. For 2008, should TD continue the Choose Your Own PURP program (at least initially, for each $XXX order), stick with the Randomized PURP (per $XXX order), or nix the idea altogether (going back to relying on the "00" bags)? Why?<br />I think that the Pick your own PURP program should continue, as it's been a huge success and has resulted in record level of token sales (at least I think it has).  <br /><br />#2. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be taken out of circulation?<br />  I think nearly all the Purples printed in 2007 should be taken out of circulation, with a fresh batch of Purples offered next year.  Beyond that, I think the Horn of Plenty (too big a drain on treasure boxes if they become too common) and Dragonscale Armor (too high an AC for the Druid in addition to his Dex. AC bonus) should be discontinued forever, and likewise the Scepter of the Dead, Cloak of the Mage, and Gem of Healing should be permanently discontinued because they are weak Purples.<br /><br />#3. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be continued for next year?<br />Some form of the evergreen +2 Longsword, +1 Platemail, and +2 Great Axe/Sword should be in print, but hopefully with a twist so that they are not exactly the same - not more powerful but different (like the Longsword could be +1 to hit and +3 damage)<br /><br />#4. What are the top three Purples NOT printed in 2007, that should be reprinted and returned to circulation next year?<br />Gearon's +2 Mace should come back, with the original damage wheel unchanged and the bonus only for Cleric classes (and possibly a higher bonus than just +1 Damage, +2 or +3 would be better and in-line with the Holy Great Sword). Dragonscale Shield should never come back, again because it gives the Druid too high an AC when combined with Dragonscale Plate and the natural DC AC bonus - but some form of a +3 shield could come back limited to the Fighter, Paladin, and maybe Barbarian and Cleric classes.  <br /><br />You didn't ask it, but I think several Reds should return next year as well.  Bracers of Archery should return to help emphasize archery, and Bracers of Defense and Amulet of Armor are due for a return this year or soon after.  <br /><br />#5. Any other thoughts/suggestions/ideas regarding what should or should not be done for next year?<br />  In general I think nearly all the Purples should be replaced with new/returning Purples, and I think the vast majority of Reds need to be cycled as well.  A fair number of uncommons should also be new, as well as a few commons.<br />

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #14

<br /><br />(Bonus Question for TD Insiders): Just out of curiosity, does buying lots of tokens actually help support True Dungeon? At GenCon, I was talking to someone who claimed that tokens were sold at cost and so with a zero profit margin, buying lots of tokens didn't actually help TD at all. Then again, I thought at the beginning of the year, the newsletters mentioned that pre-ordering would help TD by providing funds to buy props. So can anyone confirm whether purchasing tokens supports True Dungeon and if so, does it help a lot or only marginally? I'm not asking for any numbers, but just a general feeling.<br />

<br /><br />Last year when the tokens were wood, there was some concern about counterfitting.   We looked into what it was would cost to make a counterfit wooden token.  There was a significant set up cost but once you got going it would cost about 8-10 cents each to make each extra token.   Jeff confirmed this was about his cost also.  <br /><br />When Jeff brought out the new "chippy" tokens there was concern that the tokens have gone from a money maker to a money loser.   Jeff assured us that the new tokens (in the quantities that he is now buying) cost even less than the old tokens.  <br /><br />So like the Lady on E-bay saying the True dungeon is going to Europe, the rumor that the tokens are a money drain on TD is completely wrong.   Token are a huge profit center for TD.   If Jeff didn't end up with most of the money, I would not be able to convince myself to buy as much as I do.   Without token sales, TD tickets would cost in $45-$50 range.    <br /><br />Answer to Question #1.  If Jeff cancells the "Pick your Purple" promotion, I will likely cut my token buying in half.  (from 4 orders to 2 orders).<br /><br />Answer to Question not asked:  Next year, I am hoping to pick, 2 of the +2 bracers, 1 horn of plenty and 1 +1 platemail.
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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #15

I'd really like to NOT see the +2 Bracers next year. It takes away from the special feel of using that UR Special. Instead, I'd like to see UR +2 Bracers of Archery! (In addition to having the Bracers of Archery come back as a Red, like Mike suggested) Then, the year after, bring +2 Bracers into the UR line-up. That give the people who spent their UR Special a full year to enjoy their +2 Bracers before they become available to the public.
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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #16

Ummm. The bracers of archery were already +2. +4?

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #17

1. pick-your-purp is a great plan, but even if not that the random extra purps is a must.  i know i would not buy much without it, because after the amount of money i spent and not hitting a single '00' bag i would have been very upset had i not gotten the bonus URs, but because of them every purchase felt like a good deal.<br /><br />2,3,and4.  i am of the opinion of making the bonus items (ie. holy, nightshade's, keen, flaming, etc) as things that only show up for one year, then go away for a while, then come back much later, so all of those should be out, and plenty of the others as well (some just because they are weak for UR, others because they are the horn of plenty).  also, i think it may still be too soon to bring back the dragonscale shield or gaeron's mace, so only bring back basic stuff and then create new special items.  and i understand the want to keep the +2 bracers unavailable to make them more special, but i also want one :)  so, take your pick on that one.
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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #18

#1. For 2008, should TD continue the Choose Your Own PURP program (at least initially, for each $XXX order), stick with the Randomized PURP (per $XXX order), or nix the idea altogether (going back to relying on the "00" bags)? Why?<br /><br />I'm in favor of keeping it. It certainly encourages token sales, and if you're going to be spending that much money on poker chips you can use once a year, I don't see why we shouldn't give bonuses. I wouldn't complain if it disappeared, but I would be delighted to see it stay.<br /><br /><br />#2. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be taken out of circulation?<br /><br />Gem of Healing, Elixer of Life, and 1000GP Sapphire Necklace. The Gem of Healing is a single use consumable that would be better replaced with eight 5 point heals. It's nothing but trade-bait for collectors desperate for a full UR collection. The Elixer of Life is a single use consumable better replaced with a Death's Door potion and either a shot from a cleric, or a couple healing potions. It's gone from staple of the dungeon as a red to trade-bait only as a purple. Both of those two items will only see use in the hands of total newbies in the dungeon who have no other recourse, and who don't recognize their value in trade/cash sale. The Sapphire Necklace is nice, but has absolutely no application in the dungeon. Without official stores, it has no game value. Heck, with reserve bars, you can't even use it to bid in the auction (which nobody in their right mind would use it for anyway) unless you trade it in first. This also is worthless except to collectors trying to make a set. IMO, all UR's should have dungeon application that cannot be replicated or replaced with lesser means. The Scepter of the Dead would be next in line.<br /><br /><br />#3. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be continued for next year?<br /><br />Flaming Short Bow, Holy Great Sword, and Keen Scimitar. All are unique weapons with special properties that make them special under certain conditions. All are highly sought after and very cool, lending an aspect of strategy to the normal "Ok, everybody have a +2 weapon? Good." theory of dungeon crawling. Nightshade's would be number four, for the same reason.<br /><br /><br />#4. What are the top three Purples NOT printed in 2007, that should be reprinted and returned to circulation next year?<br /><br />Dragonscale Shield, Hand of Glory, Cloak of Displacement. The shield is just plain cool, and continues the battle between 1H + shield vs. 2H weapons. 2H gained a lot of ground this year with the Holy Great Sword, it never hurts to even the odds a little. The Hand of Glory is just plain cool, and it opens a huge realm of strategy options for the wearer. Anything that gives options and forces people to choose between strategies is good. The Cloak is no longer overpowering, and provides something other than the +2 cloak that is worth wearing.<br /><br /><br />#5. Any other thoughts/suggestions/ideas regarding what should or should not be done for next year?<br /><br />While the Horn of Plenty rocks, I don't suggest continuing to print it. It's a little hard to keep track of honesty (is that your ONLY amulet slot item?), and is way too useful. Talk about an increase in token usage!

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #19

Things to leave: holy great sword, nightshade's, flaming shortbow, keen scimitar<br /><br />Things to stay: longsword +2, great sword +2, etc<br /><br />Things to come back: dragonscale shield, hand of glory, <br /><br />New things: short sword +2, mace +2, Shortbow +2<br /><br /><br />I think I've figured out the general strategy. The idea is to offer a base of purp options like the LS +2 that's avaliable every year and then flux in a (generally) class specific item that's better than the standard UR avaliable. That makes a hell of a lot of sense in a lot of ways. One is more generally useful because more classes can use it to full effect while the other offers some sort of bonus but to a more limited number of people. The prime example of this is the HGS or NSS. In a year where you have one of these boosted items, the base item should be removed. So this year, there should have been no greatsword(axe) +2. You can then cycle these items back in and then out the following year and it provides a stable foundation.<br /><br />It creates excitement when something reappears and makes people who might already have a lot of base purps want to pick up the boosted whatever the hell it is. The key is to cycle them in for only a year while providing the base items like LS +2. So for instance, if this year you wanted to have a Flaming Burst Longsword as a UR, there would be no LS +2. If the choice instead is to go with Full Plate of Etherealness, then there would be no Full Plate +1. Bring in/back 3-4 new items each time around and that's all it takes. If the standard URs become too common, cycle them in and out too but keep them around for a couple years each go in a staggard layout.

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #20

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#1. For 2008, should TD continue the Choose Your Own PURP program (at least initially, for each $XXX order), stick with the Randomized PURP (per $XXX order), or nix the idea altogether (going back to relying on the "00" bags)? Why?<br /><br />I don't know.  If it helped improve sales, then sure I think they should do it.  <br /><br />#2. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be taken out of circulation?<br /><br />I think there are more than 3 which should be taken out ... but anyhow, if I could only chose 3: Special; Sapphire Necklace; Elixir of Life.<br /><br />#3. What are the top three Purples printed in 2007 that should be continued for next year?<br /><br />Nightshade's +2 Short Sword; Ring of Focus; +2 Flaming Shortbow.<br /><br />#4. What are the top three Purples NOT printed in 2007, that should be reprinted and returned to circulation next year?<br /><br />Dragonscale Shield; Cloak of Displacement; Gearon's +2 Heavy Mace.<br /><br />#5. Any other thoughts/suggestions/ideas regarding what should or should not be done for next year?<br /><br />Regarding tokens, I think the Ultra Rares should not be the type of tokens which you have to turn in.  They're already so hard to get ...

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #21

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1. Yes, I say continue the program<br /><br />2. Take out the holy great sword, Nightshade's, HoP - class specific items, like the Holy Sword, should be available for a year and then rotate out, to be replaced by an item for another class the following year.<br /><br />3. Keep Special (?), generic +2 weapons<br /><br />4. Reprint Dragonscale shield and Gearon's Heavy Mace - so they would be available as chippies<br /><br />5. Still thinking.<br />
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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #22

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I'm confused, it says "random" purple on the website, but you guys are saying we pick our own UR?

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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #23

If you ordered before May 1st you got to choose what purp you wanted instead of getting a random one or two or whatever your order called for.
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Re: 2008 Purple Token Survey! 13 years 2 weeks ago #24

Here's a question I've had for a while...were there a set number of each purple or did the numbers not take into consideration the pre-order choices?<br /><br />Option 1: There are 100 of each UR. 25 HoP's were chosen during pre-order so only 75 were avaliable for orders after that tossed into the mix of everything else.<br /><br />Option 2: Preorders were completely seperate. 10 of each was printed and the ones not used, tossed and then for the main order another 100 of each was printed.<br /><br />I'm sorta curious about distribution skew with so many people having picked up a HoP during pre-orders. I never heard anything about anyone finding one in a random pack at gencon and I heard rumors at least of people pulling just about everything else.

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