TOPIC: Omni Orb

No, TDs answer was make recipe #3. I’m serious. That recipe was a god send to many players.

Omni Orbs aren’t aimed at CoA, they were designed for other legendary recipes where finding the URs/relics to make them were near impossible. Before the reprint on +2 Sacred Sling it was nigh impossible to even find one for a cleric to use because of Io’s using all of them.

Recipe #3 is honestly filling the void that you are describing. And if you wanted something even better than recipe #3…well I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Before recipe #3 CoA was over $1500 btw.

I would say if you are patient, you should be able to snag PYPs for 60-65 ish each. Given the transmute sets the price ceiling, and natural player turn over keeps returning CoAs to the market, I expect we will be Seeing CoAs around 650ish in not too long.

Flik wrote: No, TDs answer was make recipe #3. I’m serious. That recipe was a god send to many players.

Omni Orbs aren’t aimed at CoA, they were designed for other legendary recipes where finding the URs/relics to make them were near impossible. Before the reprint on +2 Sacred Sling it was nigh impossible to even find one for a cleric to use because of Io’s using all of them.

Recipe #3 is honestly filling the void that you are describing. And if you wanted something even better than recipe #3…well I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Before recipe #3 CoA was over $1500 btw.

Before recipe 3, CoAs were reaching 2k. I’m really glad I sold off most of mine before the price crashed

Endgame wrote: I would say if you are patient, you should be able to snag PYPs for 60-65 ish each. Given the transmute sets the price ceiling, and natural player turn over keeps returning CoAs to the market, I expect we will be Seeing CoAs around 650ish in not too long.

Sounds like this might be the way to give it a try. Well, I guess I'll be hitting the auctions in 2025 to get beads.

Thanks everyone for the interesting thoughts and/or suggestions. Sometimes its a lot to try and figure out on my own.

If you just want to crush beads into COAs right now, can just bid in Krym's auction where the highest PYP at moment is $41. Could also bid in Trent's auctions.

While Krym's auction won't fire with PYPs anywhere close to current prices, if you don't mind getting Bounty at $75 per, I'm sure Krym would be happy if you pushed up the PYP prices to that level to get his auction within sight of going off.

Corey Pressler wrote:

Endgame wrote: I would say if you are patient, you should be able to snag PYPs for 60-65 ish each. Given the transmute sets the price ceiling, and natural player turn over keeps returning CoAs to the market, I expect we will be Seeing CoAs around 650ish in not too long.

Sounds like this might be the way to give it a try. Well, I guess I'll be hitting the auctions in 2025 to get beads.

Thanks everyone for the interesting thoughts and/or suggestions. Sometimes its a lot to try and figure out on my own.

No particular reason to wait for 2025 if you don’t want to. Trent’s current auction has PYPs around 60 right now and it’s close to funding. When that auction finishes, another will start.

www.trenttokens.com/collections/current-auction

Corey Pressler wrote: Sounds like this might be the way to give it a try. Well, I guess I'll be hitting the auctions in 2025 to get beads.

Thanks everyone for the interesting thoughts and/or suggestions. Sometimes its a lot to try and figure out on my own.

Unless you have another reason to wait, remember you can bid in current auctions for 2023 UR PYPs also (Bead of Bounty is 2023). PYPs are available for 2 years, even though they get lots more publicity in the first year they are available.

Corey Pressler wrote: I've been playing the game for a long time, but until last year it was only at GenCon. So I missed out on a lot of the ways to get these other UR's that go in for this item. I don't believe that most CoA owners spent over a $1000 to craft theirs when they had access to the UR's when they were cheaper.

TL:DR; Most CoA's cost in the neighborhood of $1000 to craft. The only way to craft one using substantially cheaper ingredients was to be an active UR collector who bought at PyP pyp prices over a 9 year period from 2007-2015.

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The only people who crafted CoA's for substantially less than that were collectors active buying URs over the 7 year period from 2007 to 2013, who didn't sell their ~$100 purchase price Horn of Plenty for $400 or more on the secondary market before 2015 with the advent of Amulet of Treasure Finding and the CoA recipes.

A small number of the total supply of CoA's were made with recipe #1 - even of those who were, lots of those would have picked up Horn of Plenty on the secondary market in the $400-700 range.

When the CoA recipe was out, the secondary market value of HoP's, RoR, and CoGF quickly adjusted (as in a matter of days or hours) to roughly their point cost of in print Amulet of Treasure Finding's (e.g. ~400, ~300, ~200).

Most CoAs were crafted using recipe #2, which had then ~$700 of URs no matter which items were used to transmute them, and whatever the price of the other ingredients was back then. Notably, Aragonite, Elven Bismuth, Golden Fleece, Oil of Enchantment, and GP were all much more expensive back then than they are now, those tokens alone would have cost around $25, $15, $75, $15, $175 ~= $300 for a total transmute ingredient cost of $1000 plus the cost of the 27 cheaper ingredients.

Almost immediately after CoA's were available on the secondary market, they were selling for ~$900 or so - maybe more.

I mention this because sometimes people who weren't collecting back then have this idea that a large number of people with CoA somehow got in on the "ground floor" and put less than $500 or so into their CoA ingredients, and/or there was a period where CoA's could be routinely acquired for a lot less than $1000. From my vantage point as someone who was involved in the UR market at the time, that was never the case.

In the past year I have bought dozens of PyPs at $80 or less, putting the URTE component of Recipe #3 around $960 - pretty much right in line with what the URTe component of both recipe #1 and #2 was at the time those recipes were created nine years ago.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Corey Pressler wrote: I've been playing the game for a long time, but until last year it was only at GenCon. So I missed out on a lot of the ways to get these other UR's that go in for this item. I don't believe that most CoA owners spent over a $1000 to craft theirs when they had access to the UR's when they were cheaper.

TL:DR; Most CoA's cost in the neighborhood of $1000 to craft. The only way to craft one using substantially cheaper ingredients was to be an active UR collector who bought at PyP pyp prices over a 9 year period from 2007-2015.

Details:

The only people who crafted CoA's for substantially less than that were collectors active buying URs over the 7 year period from 2007 to 2013, who didn't sell their ~$100 purchase price Horn of Plenty for $400 or more on the secondary market before 2015 with the advent of Amulet of Treasure Finding and the CoA recipes.

A small number of the total supply of CoA's were made with recipe #1 - even of those who were, lots of those would have picked up Horn of Plenty on the secondary market in the $400-700 range.

When the CoA recipe was out, the secondary market value of HoP's, RoR, and CoGF quickly adjusted (as in a matter of days or hours) to roughly their point cost of in print Amulet of Treasure Finding's (e.g. ~400, ~300, ~200).

Most CoAs were crafted using recipe #2, which had then ~$700 of URs no matter which items were used to transmute them, and whatever the price of the other ingredients was back then. Notably, Aragonite, Elven Bismuth, Golden Fleece, Oil of Enchantment, and GP were all much more expensive back then than they are now, those tokens alone would have cost around $25, $15, $75, $15, $175 ~= $300 for a total transmute ingredient cost of $1000 plus the cost of the 27 cheaper ingredients.

Almost immediately after CoA's were available on the secondary market, they were selling for ~$900 or so - maybe more.

I mention this because sometimes people who weren't collecting back then have this idea that a large number of people with CoA somehow got in on the "ground floor" and put less than $500 or so into their CoA ingredients, and/or there was a period where CoA's could be routinely acquired for a lot less than $1000. From my vantage point as someone who was involved in the UR market at the time, that was never the case.

In the past year I have bought dozens of PyPs at $80 or less, putting the URTE component of Recipe #3 around $960 - pretty much right in line with what the URTe component of both recipe #1 and #2 was at the time those recipes were created nine years ago.

Thanks for sharing that! I think I had that exact misconception, thinking they were had for much cheaper. Sounds like Recipe #1 wasn't used that much after all.

I'm going to take the suggestions you and others have offered and try Recipe #3. I'll try to win some PYP's. I didn't even know I could still get Beads of Bounty, so knowing that helps.

If you volunteer for GenCon before 15 Feb you get a free PyP.

Choose a Bead of Bounty

Endgame wrote:

Flik wrote: No, TDs answer was make recipe #3. I’m serious. That recipe was a god send to many players.

Omni Orbs aren’t aimed at CoA, they were designed for other legendary recipes where finding the URs/relics to make them were near impossible. Before the reprint on +2 Sacred Sling it was nigh impossible to even find one for a cleric to use because of Io’s using all of them.

Recipe #3 is honestly filling the void that you are describing. And if you wanted something even better than recipe #3…well I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Before recipe #3 CoA was over $1500 btw.

Before recipe 3, CoAs were reaching 2k. I’m really glad I sold off most of mine before the price crashed

Unfortunately I was unlucky and didn’t know bears were coming so I bought mine for $1,900 😞

I took everyone's advice and I scrounged up 12 beads and just sent in my transmute order for the CoA!!!

I had some help from someone who is really nice who I will keep anonymous who helped me find 2 extra beads.