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TOPIC: Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel

Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #25

Note that Potion Revival Root doesn't have same language in explanation as Death's Door.

Grunnel's Funnel

Every potion that rezzes currently sets to a specific HP amount. A theoretical new potion could set to a different specific HP amount, but it still shouldn't be usable with GF. So, there's a lot of different language that could be used, depending upon how specific want to be.

"It cannot be a potion that restores a character to life with a set amount of HP."

But, that would leave off a theoretical potion that read like "Restore a dead character to life with 1 HP, then cure 10 HP." Not that I expect such to get made.

Can always account for the two potions now and return to the GF entry later when some other potion that rezzes gets made.

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #26

Druegar wrote: The TDb description for Grunnel's Funnel already includes this:

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:

  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
If you feel that does not sufficiently clarify that Potion Death's Door is incompatible with Grunnel’s Funnel, how would you re-word it?

Potion and integer are perfect. We bounced the idea of using an elixir of life but as it doesn’t include “ potion “or a number it’s not useable. The restore to life and heal, are fallen star and Gem of Hope. Which can’t be used by any free action items or instant to my knowledge.

Deaths door should work as it uses the word and had an integer 1.

I see no reason why it would overpower the item. We are restricted from using 1 of each action type, ( standard and instant and free )

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Last edit: by Tyraël The Just.

Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #27

Is this better?

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:
  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
  • The token cannot restore a dead character to life.
Have you looked it up in the TDb ?
Please post TDb corrections in this thread .
If I write something in teal, it should not be taken seriously

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #28

Druegar wrote: Is this better?

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:

  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
  • The token cannot restore a dead character to life.


The previous wording seemed to allow Potion of Death's Door. Is there a reason we want to change the wording so Potion of Death's Door can't be used? Allowing it to be used doesn't seem overpowered to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #29

That’s solves it if the issues is using a free action to restore a dead character to life. I honestly don’t the the issue. Only the deaths door potion qualifies to use. No other, why disqualify this ? If someone puts the 2 together it’s smart planning. It’s not OP and follows the rules as they were,

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #30

The entry on Death's Door was very clear that it couldn't be used with Grunnel's Funnel. The point of revisiting this thread was that GF entry wasn't as clear and people were doing something that wasn't actually allowed.

Potion of Revival Root is functionally identical to Death's Door.

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #31

Ian Lee wrote: The entry on Death's Door was very clear that it couldn't be used with Grunnel's Funnel. The point of revisiting this thread was that GF entry wasn't as clear and people were doing something that wasn't actually allowed.

Potion of Revival Root is functionally identical to Death's Door.


True, but PoDD could always have the entry revised to allow it. I was just curious whether it really needed to be disallowed as it doesn't seem overly powerful or broken.

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #32

Ian Lee wrote: The entry on Death's Door was very clear that it couldn't be used with Grunnel's Funnel. The point of revisiting this thread was that GF entry wasn't as clear and people were doing something that wasn't actually allowed.

Potion of Revival Root is functionally identical to Death's Door.

Then I agree with you, if it’s on deaths door, then GF should say “ not compatible with Death’s Door Potion “. I would not exclude all healing that deals with life and death. I think the revival root potion should work

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Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #33

Druegar wrote: Is this better?

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:

  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
  • The token cannot restore a dead character to life.


Currently there are 2 potions that fall into this category.
Potion Revival Root
Potion Death’s Door.

Both “ could “ have been used by GF before the reversion.. however, both potions above on TD.db in there description say it is not compatible with Grunnel’s Funnel because that only interacts with healing potions.

Note: This potion must be administered by another (living) character. Nothing can bypass this restriction.


Unless both Potions are changed on TD.db, GF should state “ not compatible with Potion Death’s Door or Potion Revival Root “

This removes the confusion with the only 2 that apply, and reinforces the same information on both potions on TD.db. This also allows TDA to create a potion in the future, should they want to create on on a higher rarity ( 3pt or 4pt relic ) that restores life and heals an integer number.

I personally think both potions above SHOULD BE allowed to be used with GF, but as stated above, both potions state that Officially they can not be used with GF on TD.db

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Last edit: by Tyraël The Just.

Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #34

Druegar wrote: Is this better?

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:

  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
  • The token cannot restore a dead character to life.


Much clearer, thank you!
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Last edit: by David Zych.

Potion of Death's Door + Grunnel's Funnel 1 year 4 months ago #35

Druegar wrote: Is this better?

To be used in conjunction with Grunnel’s Funnel, the healing token must comply with all of the following:

  • The word "potion" must be printed in its title
  • It must be an actual potion
    (If someday a "Scroll Destroy Potion" token were to be made that caused a targeted potion to explode, it could not be used in conjunction with this item.)
  • It must restore HP expressed as an integer, not a variable such as "half" or "all"
  • The token cannot restore a dead character to life.


You should specify it can be used to restore a "mostly dead" character as the Barbarian Berserker's 'Fight After Death' ability says they are "Mostly Dead", but can be healed.

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