TOPIC: Widseth is selling his sword

Rebeg wrote: I would say, let the sword's power be only with Widseth. To make it passable is to dilute the soul forged items.

It's part of the history of the game, let it remain that.

But with that said, would be nice to see another round of soul forged tokens with the restriction of 1 soul forged token per player. To limit so those who already have one, can not have additional in their personal collection.

I agree after thinking about it that it should remain soul-forged to just Widseth. Otherwise it opens up a slippery slope that would probably result in soul-forged being fairly meaningless. I also hope there aren't any future Artifact tokens like this, I'd much prefer Legendary and other tokens available to all.

Personally I think Widseth should be the one to decide the fate of Widseth’s sword (and binding status). Either way it's his item, imo none of us should really have a say.

Picc wrote: Personally I think Widseth should be the one to decide the fate of Widseth’s sword (and binding status). Either way it's his item, imo none of us should really have a say.

As long as they remain as rare and as extremely limited as they are, I would agree with you. I think as long as we are not making more of these types of items, one could make a case why Widseth's sword could remain in game well after the player does. I think there is a concern that if these can be changed to a new person that it could be passed around like how groups share tokens, so we would need a policy/procedure on how the transfer occurs and make sure people understand if they obtained one of these items they could not lend it. It is a bit tricky, but if TPTB wanted to allow these items to persist as an honorary item for their original owners we could find a way as a community to do so.

However if for some reason artifacts start becoming a thing again, I would say they should never transfer.

The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

Brad Mortensen wrote: The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

Maybe the last surviving artifact owner can arrange something with TD. For example, if it was me, perhaps the Golden Apple of Eris goes back to TD. And each day of an event, one run during the 5 o'clock hour would be selected at random. When the coach arrives wearing the Golden Apple, they greet the party with "Hail Eris!". And if someone in the party replies with "All Hail Discordia!" Then they all get the Amulet of Wonder effect for that run.

kurtreznor wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

Maybe the last surviving artifact owner can arrange something with TD. For example, if it was me, perhaps the Golden Apple of Eris goes back to TD. And each day of an event, one run during the 5 o'clock hour would be selected at random. When the coach arrives wearing the Golden Apple, they greet the party with "Hail Eris!". And if someone in the party replies with "All Hail Discordia!" Then they all get the Amulet of Wonder effect for that run.

I'm hoping they don't transfer in any way - I think that was the original meaning of "soul-forged". They're extremely powerful tokens, I think part of the balance is that they only work for the original owner.

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

Maybe the last surviving artifact owner can arrange something with TD. For example, if it was me, perhaps the Golden Apple of Eris goes back to TD. And each day of an event, one run during the 5 o'clock hour would be selected at random. When the coach arrives wearing the Golden Apple, they greet the party with "Hail Eris!". And if someone in the party replies with "All Hail Discordia!" Then they all get the Amulet of Wonder effect for that run.

I'm hoping they don't transfer in any way - I think that was the original meaning of "soul-forged". They're extremely powerful tokens, I think part of the balance is that they only work for the original owner.

Yes Mike, we know, you've already said that. You aren't adding anything when you keep repeating yourself. All you do is suck the fun and amusement out of the conversation.

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

Maybe the last surviving artifact owner can arrange something with TD. For example, if it was me, perhaps the Golden Apple of Eris goes back to TD. And each day of an event, one run during the 5 o'clock hour would be selected at random. When the coach arrives wearing the Golden Apple, they greet the party with "Hail Eris!". And if someone in the party replies with "All Hail Discordia!" Then they all get the Amulet of Wonder effect for that run.

I'm hoping they don't transfer in any way - I think that was the original meaning of "soul-forged". They're extremely powerful tokens, I think part of the balance is that they only work for the original owner.

Yes Mike, we know, you've already said that. You aren't adding anything when you keep repeating yourself. All you do is suck the fun and amusement out of the conversation.

I support Mike’s efforts to suck the fun and amusement out of the conversation.

What if all retired artifacts became part of True Dungeon to be wielded by boss monsters and minions until freed by players? Special quests to enter the Hall of Fame?

Brad Mortensen wrote: The owner of Carter’s passed several years ago, and IIRC there was no talk of it passing to another owner in usable form. I’m sure it sits in someone’s collection somewhere as a memento of friends passed.

The precedent is already set. It’s too late to bring back the Doubler, and treating any other artifact any differently wouldn’t be fair, IMO

I would argue this is a different situation since the original owner is still around to Express their will. I would agree that the two artifacts you mentioned are gone for good though, and IMO TD is a little smaller for their loss.