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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 14 hours ago #289

Ian Lee wrote: Versions I see of 07 and 08 had Ring of the Siren in Druegar's where it got replaced with Charm of the Faerie.

So, want both in recipes? If not both, which is the higher priority for trying to get rid of?

I still don't understand why Tankard of Celebration is 50gp + 300gp, as that can't be done with one of each common and uncommon gp token. I'm not the target audience (really, really not the target audience after it got changed), but it seems inconsistent with history.


Problem is that Ring of the Siren AND Charm of the Faerie have extremely small interest pools. If they are not utilized in Legendary crafts they will suffer GREATLY in value.

Ring of Expertise at least has a semi solid interest pool in players who do not have the +2 Staff of Power and play Elf Wizard.

I would much prefer to see the ring of expertise not in a recipe and see Charm of the Faerie and Ring of the Siren in instead. That's the best way to maintain value of the UR tokens in this set.

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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 14 hours ago #290

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Versions I see of 07 and 08 had Ring of the Siren in Druegar's where it got replaced with Charm of the Faerie.

So, want both in recipes? If not both, which is the higher priority for trying to get rid of?

I still don't understand why Tankard of Celebration is 50gp + 300gp, as that can't be done with one of each common and uncommon gp token. I'm not the target audience (really, really not the target audience after it got changed), but it seems inconsistent with history.


Problem is that Ring of the Siren AND Charm of the Faerie have extremely small interest pools. If they are not utilized in Legendary crafts they will suffer GREATLY in value.

Ring of Expertise at least has a semi solid interest pool in players who do not have the +2 Staff of Power and play Elf Wizard.

I would much prefer to see the ring of expertise not in a recipe and see Charm of the Faerie and Ring of the Siren in instead. That's the best way to maintain value of the UR tokens in this set.


I would prefer to leave off shield of the Scholar than any of ring of expertise, ring of the Siren, or charm of the faerie.

Thats my opinion of course.

I agree ring of expertise has more appeal than ring of the Siren or charm of the faerie.
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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 13 hours ago #291

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Versions I see of 07 and 08 had Ring of the Siren in Druegar's where it got replaced with Charm of the Faerie.

So, want both in recipes? If not both, which is the higher priority for trying to get rid of?

I still don't understand why Tankard of Celebration is 50gp + 300gp, as that can't be done with one of each common and uncommon gp token. I'm not the target audience (really, really not the target audience after it got changed), but it seems inconsistent with history.


Problem is that Ring of the Siren AND Charm of the Faerie have extremely small interest pools. If they are not utilized in Legendary crafts they will suffer GREATLY in value.

Ring of Expertise at least has a semi solid interest pool in players who do not have the +2 Staff of Power and play Elf Wizard.

I would much prefer to see the ring of expertise not in a recipe and see Charm of the Faerie and Ring of the Siren in instead. That's the best way to maintain value of the UR tokens in this set.


I would prefer to leave off shield of the Scholar than any of ring of expertise, ring of the Siren, or charm of the faerie.

Thats my opinion of course.

I agree ring of expertise has more appeal than ring of the Siren or charm of the faerie.


Shield of the Scholar has a lot more appeal than any of the other three tokens. I definitely agree with you on that one.

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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 12 hours ago #292

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Versions I see of 07 and 08 had Ring of the Siren in Druegar's where it got replaced with Charm of the Faerie.

So, want both in recipes? If not both, which is the higher priority for trying to get rid of?

I still don't understand why Tankard of Celebration is 50gp + 300gp, as that can't be done with one of each common and uncommon gp token. I'm not the target audience (really, really not the target audience after it got changed), but it seems inconsistent with history.


Problem is that Ring of the Siren AND Charm of the Faerie have extremely small interest pools. If they are not utilized in Legendary crafts they will suffer GREATLY in value.

Ring of Expertise at least has a semi solid interest pool in players who do not have the +2 Staff of Power and play Elf Wizard.

I would much prefer to see the ring of expertise not in a recipe and see Charm of the Faerie and Ring of the Siren in instead. That's the best way to maintain value of the UR tokens in this set.


It might be neat next year to reprint Medallion of the Mystic Mouth and have a transmute Relic Ring of the Mystic Siren which gives Mystic Mouth Powers plus +3 Damage to scrolls/wands/polymorph. :)

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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 6 hours ago #293

Should the color of the text descriptor be expanded to Black: common and monster trophies? Or something to clearly explain that there are 2 categories of tokens that use black?

Should the conversion initials mention the dots near this area mean the token can't be found in traditional packs?

Why not make charm.of the wind part of the wind set? Could be the prep for a reprint.

For Ioun Stone Malachite Orb, if the damage were reduced to 0, would that then negate the undead touch attack effects?

The description of exalted under master drinkers gloves seems odd.
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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 3 hours ago #294

The color of the 100, 150, 400, 600 gp are black in the description. However, they are uncommon and rare.

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QTR 2021 Beta 2 days 2 hours ago #295

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Ian Lee wrote: Versions I see of 07 and 08 had Ring of the Siren in Druegar's where it got replaced with Charm of the Faerie.

So, want both in recipes? If not both, which is the higher priority for trying to get rid of?

I still don't understand why Tankard of Celebration is 50gp + 300gp, as that can't be done with one of each common and uncommon gp token. I'm not the target audience (really, really not the target audience after it got changed), but it seems inconsistent with history.


Problem is that Ring of the Siren AND Charm of the Faerie have extremely small interest pools. If they are not utilized in Legendary crafts they will suffer GREATLY in value.

Ring of Expertise at least has a semi solid interest pool in players who do not have the +2 Staff of Power and play Elf Wizard.

I would much prefer to see the ring of expertise not in a recipe and see Charm of the Faerie and Ring of the Siren in instead. That's the best way to maintain value of the UR tokens in this set.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that we get an actual +2 Staff of Power reprint at some point....

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QTR 2021 Beta 1 day 23 hours ago #296

Should the recipe for the Ioun Stone Elfstone Shard allow for the option of the UR volunteer Ioun Stone Charoite Cuboid to be used in place of the Ioun Stone Sunstone Shard? So either one or the other? The Tokens are the same from a rarity and power standpoint. This would also help out the volunteers a bit.

Skull of Cavadar should have a Fleece requirement!! This bad boy is a Grand Eldritch Token!! The Kilt had a Fleece requirement and it's only a standard Eldritch Token.
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QTR 2021 Beta 1 day 23 hours ago #297

Rob F wrote: Should the recipe for the Ioun Stone Elfstone Shard allow for the option of the UR volunteer Ioun Stone Charoite Cuboid to be used in place of the Ioun Stone Sunstone Shard? So either one or the other? The Tokens are the same from a rarity and power standpoint. This would also help out the volunteers a bit.

Skull of Cavadar should have a Fleece requirement!! This bad boy is a Grand Eldritch Token!! The Kilt had a Fleece requirement and it's only a standard Eldritch Token.


I think your first point was accepted as a yes.

I'm with you on the skull. Counter point is the Rod recipe, and apparently the current dearth of MB/Fleece.
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QTR 2021 Beta 1 day 22 hours ago #298

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Rob F wrote: Should the recipe for the Ioun Stone Elfstone Shard allow for the option of the UR volunteer Ioun Stone Charoite Cuboid to be used in place of the Ioun Stone Sunstone Shard? So either one or the other? The Tokens are the same from a rarity and power standpoint. This would also help out the volunteers a bit.

Skull of Cavadar should have a Fleece requirement!! This bad boy is a Grand Eldritch Token!! The Kilt had a Fleece requirement and it's only a standard Eldritch Token.


I think your first point was accepted as a yes.

I'm with you on the skull. Counter point is the Rod recipe, and apparently the current dearth of MB/Fleece.


Skull of Cavadar is the new Rod of Seven Parts. It makes no sense for the weaker token to have a higher crafting cost.

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QTR 2021 Beta 1 day 21 hours ago #299

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Rob F wrote: Should the recipe for the Ioun Stone Elfstone Shard allow for the option of the UR volunteer Ioun Stone Charoite Cuboid to be used in place of the Ioun Stone Sunstone Shard? So either one or the other? The Tokens are the same from a rarity and power standpoint. This would also help out the volunteers a bit.

Skull of Cavadar should have a Fleece requirement!! This bad boy is a Grand Eldritch Token!! The Kilt had a Fleece requirement and it's only a standard Eldritch Token.


I think your first point was accepted as a yes.

I'm with you on the skull. Counter point is the Rod recipe, and apparently the current dearth of MB/Fleece.


Skull of Cavadar is the new Rod of Seven Parts. It makes no sense for the weaker token to have a higher crafting cost.


Then you should also be arguing against the 1k gold requirement.
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QTR 2021 Beta 1 day 19 hours ago #300

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Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Rob F wrote: Should the recipe for the Ioun Stone Elfstone Shard allow for the option of the UR volunteer Ioun Stone Charoite Cuboid to be used in place of the Ioun Stone Sunstone Shard? So either one or the other? The Tokens are the same from a rarity and power standpoint. This would also help out the volunteers a bit.

Skull of Cavadar should have a Fleece requirement!! This bad boy is a Grand Eldritch Token!! The Kilt had a Fleece requirement and it's only a standard Eldritch Token.


I think your first point was accepted as a yes.

I'm with you on the skull. Counter point is the Rod recipe, and apparently the current dearth of MB/Fleece.


Skull of Cavadar is the new Rod of Seven Parts. It makes no sense for the weaker token to have a higher crafting cost.


Then you should also be arguing against the 1k gold requirement.


I did also advocate for the removal of the 1K GP requirement, but can accept a partial success.

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