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TOPIC: Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack

Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #1

As I read it, if you have a +1 assassin’s blade, lenses of agility, and a bow, the assassin’s blade will give a sneak attack with the bow +3 damage. Is this correct? I imagine the same applies with boots of back stabbing, and the two together would add +9 damage on a ranged sneak attack?

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #2

My interpretation is that you have to be wielding the dagger to get +3 to sneak attack, which you wouldn’t be doing if you wielding a bow. I tried to find to find similar examples in TDB. There might be a precedent in the weapons like Drow Blood Mace. the token text says “wielder gains 2 points of health” and token db is much more specific:

Any time the wielder of this weapon successfully hits and damages an enemy with this weapon, the wielder heals 2 HP.

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #3

BasicBraining wrote: My interpretation is that you have to be wielding the dagger to get +3 to sneak attack, which you wouldn’t be doing if you wielding a bow. I tried to find to find similar examples in TDB. There might be a precedent in the weapons like Drow Blood Mace. the token text says “wielder gains 2 points of health” and token db is much more specific:

Any time the wielder of this weapon successfully hits and damages an enemy with this weapon, the wielder heals 2 HP.


Yep, I checked token tb for a “with this weapon” clause and didn’t see one. Perhaps one will get added in.

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #4

Much like how you can't shoot someone with a gun if that gun is in your backpack, unless specifically stated otherwise, you don't gain any benefit from a weapon you're not currently wielding.
Have you looked it up in the TDb ?
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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #5

This is not new:

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Have you looked it up in the TDb ?
Please post TDb corrections/suggestions in this thread .
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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #6

Druegar wrote: This is not new:

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The rogue has it equipped... much like the save bonus for a ranged shield.

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #7

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Druegar wrote: This is not new:

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The rogue has it equipped... much like the save bonus for a ranged shield.


I would submit that wielding is different than "equipped"

Also, if it werent so cumbersome, the shield should only help if it were actually being held. It simply isnt practical to have w sets of saves, one for melee, one for ranged.

Tdcharactercreator prevents me from equipping different shields in melee and ranged, if both are one handed weapons.
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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #8

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Druegar wrote: This is not new:

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The rogue has it equipped... much like the save bonus for a ranged shield.


I would submit that wielding is different than "equipped"

Also, if it werent so cumbersome, the shield should only help if it were actually being held. It simply isnt practical to have w sets of saves, one for melee, one for ranged.

Tdcharactercreator prevents me from equipping different shields in melee and ranged, if both are one handed weapons.


For consistancy sake, I expected to see "with this weapon" as quoted earlier in the thread, like on the drow blood sword.

tokendb.com/token/1-drow-blood-sword/

Without that qualification, I figured the blade would work anywhere. Guess nott.

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #9

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Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Druegar wrote: This is not new:

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The rogue has it equipped... much like the save bonus for a ranged shield.


I would submit that wielding is different than "equipped"

Also, if it werent so cumbersome, the shield should only help if it were actually being held. It simply isnt practical to have w sets of saves, one for melee, one for ranged.

Tdcharactercreator prevents me from equipping different shields in melee and ranged, if both are one handed weapons.


For consistancy sake, I expected to see "with this weapon" as quoted earlier in the thread, like on the drow blood sword.

tokendb.com/token/1-drow-blood-sword/

Without that qualification, I figured the blade would work anywhere. Guess nott.


From PHB, General Token Guidelines:

All worn items (equipped tokens) must be worn by your character for the entire adventure and cannot be swapped out for different pieces. However, hand- held items may be swapped during the adventure. “Hand-held” refers to things you would hold in your hand like weapons, wands, shields, and other off- hand items. (Don’t confuse “hand-held” with things that are worn on the hands like gloves or rings.) Swapping a hand-held item requires a Free Action to perform.

TL;DR -
Weapons and shields are only equipped when you’re holding them. Simply having their plus to hit on the party card doesn’t count.

Also from PHB, Set Bonuses:

You may temporarily swap one or both hand-held set-piece items (either melee for ranged or ranged for melee) and maintain the set’s bonus. However, the bonuses granted by the individual “lost” item(s) won’t apply.


If Druegar is bored and wants to update the TokenDB entries that’s fine, but the rules already cover Assassin’s Blade (doesn’t help ranged sneak), Orb of Might (doesn’t help Bows of Might or thrown weapons) , Shield of the Scholar (no scrolls if using two-handed weapons), Blood weapons, etc.
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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #10

Its Fu^&ing common sense. Why does this even have to be discussed
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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #11

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Its Fu^&ing common sense. Why does this even have to be discussed

I call bull on that. What is common sense about using a Barbarian using a lucky shield in ranged offhand and getting +1 all Saves while using a deathcleaver? Or why does a cloak, or boots add +damage to sneak attack with a bow?

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Assassin’s blade and ranged sneak attack 1 month 3 weeks ago #12

Endgame wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Its Fu^&ing common sense. Why does this even have to be discussed

I call bull on that. What is common sense about using a Barbarian using a lucky shield in ranged offhand and getting +1 all Saves while using a deathcleaver? Or why does a cloak, or boots add +damage to sneak attack with a bow?


I think you have some very valid points here with these two questions. However I presume the answer you'll receive from TPTB is... "It's magic." :)
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