TOPIC: Medallion of Energy Question

New to the forums and only been playing for a couple of years (casually). I had a question regarding the item Medallion of Energy ( tokendb.com/token/medallion-of-energy/ ).

If you are re-casting a spell as a scroll, do you get bonuses from item such as Greater Arcane Scroll Tube ( tokendb.com/token/greater-arcane-scroll-tube/ )?

If you're re-casting a spell, do you retain damage spell bonuses such as Lenses of Focus ( tokendb.com/token/lenses-of-focus/ )?

Lastly, if you're recasting magic missile as a scroll would you retain the bonus of something like kinetic accelerator ( tokendb.com/token/kinetic-accelerator/ )?

I would like to understand the rules before investing the time to transmuting for something like Arcane Scroll Tube.

Thanks!

Brett Cohen wrote: New to the forums and only been playing for a couple of years (casually). I had a question regarding the item Medallion of Energy ( tokendb.com/token/medallion-of-energy/ ).

Welcome to the forums!

“Cast as a scroll” is traditional shorthand for “cannot be modified in any way.” That came about before the ASTs which, paradoxically, DO modify scrolls, but not things LIKE scrolls. Therefore:

If you are re-casting a spell as a scroll, do you get bonuses from item such as Greater Arcane Scroll Tube ( tokendb.com/token/greater-arcane-scroll-tube/ )?

No. You’ll note this link specifically says “scrolls,” not “spells cast by or as scroll.” I realize it might seem ambiguous without knowing some of the background.

If you're re-casting a spell, do you retain damage spell bonuses such as Lenses of Focus ( tokendb.com/token/lenses-of-focus/ )?

No

Lastly, if you're recasting magic missile as a scroll would you retain the bonus of something like kinetic accelerator ( tokendb.com/token/kinetic-accelerator/ )?

No

I would like to understand the rules before investing the time to transmuting for something like Arcane Scroll Tube.

It’s always good to check first. ASTs are still pretty good.

Thanks!

Any time

From the first link you had:

"The bonus spell is “cast as a scroll” (meaning it cannot: benefit from a skill test, be duplicated, be cast as a Free Action, nor be modified in any way.)"

The key there is "nor modified in any way". So the answer to your questions are: No. No. No.

The wording makes it easy to be confused by this. I really wish we had a different phrase instead of "cast as a scroll".

Thanks for all the info guys. I appreciate the clarification!

Fiddy wrote: From the first link you had:

"The bonus spell is “cast as a scroll” (meaning it cannot: benefit from a skill test, be duplicated, be cast as a Free Action, nor be modified in any way.)"

The key there is "nor modified in any way". So the answer to your questions are: No. No. No.

The wording makes it easy to be confused by this. I really wish we had a different phrase instead of "cast as a scroll".

It might be worth it to revisit this both from a wording standpoint and conceptually.

Possible keyword could be "Unmodifiable". I'm sure there are plenty of other possible keywords to denote that the damage and/or healing from an effect can't be altered ... "Unalterable".