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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #13

Actually in 04 it was and it wasnt a trade, it was a roll off. And I won, though as I recall I think Raven lost some purple bracers that year. Sadly I dont think they ever did turn up.
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #14

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I would certainly be interested in helping and participating!
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #15

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I will be happy to help in any way I can.

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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #16

Stepping out of "official" TD space for a minute and speaking solely as a gamer/con goer. I would recommend you limit the scope of the "guild's" interactions to setting monetary value of token trading in relative value and GP only.

I know several of the people who trade actively have wanted to limit trading to gold and just kind of pretend the e-bay / reseller market does not exist.

I am saying that not to slight what Gaming, etc. has established, but rather to separate the two efforts and allow that market the freedom to set its own boundaries. Which it will, based on normal supply and demand.

I am afraid that if too much effort is made in trying to define actual mundane worth of an individual token, it could inadvertently affect this external market, effectively "price fixing" and causing unforeseen issues.

As much as I liked Douglas' previous efforts in analytically defining dollar value for tokens, Henry was always correct in the statement that a token is worth precisely what someone is willing to pay for it and nothing more, so any attempt to fix a price was a futile effort.

So, to reiterate, I would keep the scope of token value comparison limited to in game GP and not focus much on real world value.

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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #17

i am not consistent on my prices..if someone offers me 600 Gp for a rare X..i usually take it. Now someone else might offer me 500 GP..I might take that too. it always depends what kind of mood I am in...how new they are etc (usually I am nicer to new people)
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #18

I'm in. I am on board with any ideas that help new td players get the most out of their experience... And i think token trading is a great way to keep em excited!

I also like Dave's suggestion about limiting guild activities to gp and away from $$. (though I would love to see something in the draft of the trading guide warningthat some tokens are very valuable.... I was at the treasure pulls this year and saw a young first timer offered $20 for the purple trident they had just pulled. I was able to step in and say that they could trade it for many many other tokens, keep it as a cool treasure, or (if $$ was very tempting) get way more than a crumpled up twenty from some random guy's pocket.

Young td player asked me what I thought was fair and I told him and his dad scowled at the offer maker and the offer maker shrugged and walked away.

Anyway.... I like getting info to new players and I love the idea of getting players active during the other 361 days a year :).
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #19

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: i am not consistent on my prices..if someone offers me 600 Gp for a rare X..i usually take it. Now someone else might offer me 500 GP..I might take that too. it always depends what kind of mood I am in...how new they are etc (usually I am nicer to new people)


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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #20

I'm in obviously. I'm in favor of the 'gold standard'
I typically tell folks I trade with, what the avg gold value is, what I'm willing to trade for and how much the gold is typically worth on ebay.

For trading at gencon we should agree to only deal in trades as cash is expressly forbidden.

Comming up with a rough gold guide wouldn't be bad. Some of us are more interested in some types of tokens than others, it should become obvious threw conversations as we set up some values. We're likely to agree on some type of range so we could just list that.

Now, what could suck is if the new artifact tokens dont require gold like the old ones do, then gold will have a reduced value. So that could throw a kink in the plans.
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #21

I think relative guidance for some tokens is fine. Statements like some of this class of token have been known to sell in the $XX range would be an appropriate warning. I would however, like to see people avoid statements like "based on current trading, this token should be worth $38" I think it sets a precedent that makes flexible, generous, and situational trading more difficult.
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #22

Dave,
You make some great points. I think you are stating clearly what the intention behind the guild would be. We can provide guidance on the TD side of the pricing i.e. a +1 Hvy Repeating Crossbow is worth around XXXX-YYYY GP values. We can also lend some guidance to the most people are paying a dollar for MM-NN gold pieces. With most things set to a range or price guidance set to an average, all players can have a good feel for what their tokens are worth. My intentions, and my take on the intention of the other people posting here, would be to avoid situation where new players walk away feeling taken advantage of.
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #23

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Hoo boy - I am not going there! I generally only trade for things I need to make combo items or for wizardly items. Don't know enough about that side of tokens to get deeply involved.
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Re: Forming Guild of Token Traders 9 years 1 month ago #24

Exactly, Dave.

I'd like to have a rough guide available, so kids like the young first-timer Paul mentioned can look at their guide, and see "URs (with names printed in purple ink) tend to sell for $100 on eBay... More for Out of Print tokens, less for consumables." Then they'd know the $20 offer is ludicrous.

However, it should NOT say "a +2 Longsword is worth $100, an Elixir of Life is worth $75, and a Horn of Plenty could fetch $1000" because that (a) encourages people to think about tokens in terms of monetary value, and (b) gives the false impression that it's easy to get top dollar for your old URs (I don't know anyone who carries $100 on them in the hopes of finding some kid selling their old +2 sword... but putting the token on eBay for a week might find such a buyer.)

On this note, the Rough Guide I'm envisioning wouldn't be a big booklet. I'm hoping for a single page (possibly 2 sided) which could be available as a download in the "Resources" section of this website, and could be printed off by token sellers and given for free to new players or prospective traders. If you walk through the token trader's area, and 2 or 3 merchants refer you to the same rough guide, you get a feeling that people are on the same page, and the market is relatively stable. Then you can look at individual merchants' trade rates and see, yeah, this guy is pretty close to what the guide says... that guy is pricing his rares a bit high but his commons a bit low... and the guy over there is trying to rip people off, charging 200 GP for common armour.
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