TOPIC: Hey MoE

So, in my current 8K auction, started over a week ago, the fragment 4 for the MoE is still at $0.25. What does that mean? Are people waiting to spend more on it when Trent's auctions start up in a few days? It confuses me.

Yes, in 2022 I was maybe the only one who actually read all of the rules and realized I could buy ANY of the orbs to make the Elder Orb instead of the Eldest Orb, and I did! And I kept a few auctions through completion by doing so. I then said what I knew and a lot of people were happy (a few mad... Potter).

That is not the case this year. Apparently, there are no new needs for the fragment 4, so do 8K auctions become that much more difficult to fund? TG prices go up yet more?

Maybe TPTB could add a Lesser MOE which requires any 4 fragments, but gets a random Saint? I think most would be happy with that. Yes, I have a horse in the race. I just want what is best for everyone.

I did the same with the Orbs. But yes the Fragment 4 is useless without 1/2/3 unfortunately. Perhaps it’s too late to do anything about that, but I hope TD considers something different for whatever comes next in 2027.

Well the Lesser MOE doesn't have to let them into a Ring Con event or anything. It just needs to keep the auctions going so TD makes money and players have something to strive for. I think a whole lot of people would be behind this. The MOE Saints all give great things.

It's an interesting situation. It would be kind of nice if extra Fragments had some purpose. With the Skull of Cavadar, the individual teeth have some use. With the Dragon Orbs, the individual Orbs had no use but could be combined into a slightly lesser transmute.

As far as future auctions, if everyone with Fragment 1, 2 and 3 have their 4, then it will be extremely difficult to fund any auctions. It is possible that people who still need #4 don't have the cash and are waiting for Trent to restart so they can use a credit card. I guess we'll have to wait and see if TPTB respond

Beertram wrote: So, in my current 8K auction, started over a week ago, the fragment 4 for the MoE is still at $0.25. What does that mean? Are people waiting to spend more on it when Trent's auctions start up in a few days? It confuses me.

Yes, in 2022 I was maybe the only one who actually read all of the rules and realized I could buy ANY of the orbs to make the Elder Orb instead of the Eldest Orb, and I did! And I kept a few auctions through completion by doing so. I then said what I knew and a lot of people were happy (a few mad... Potter).

That is not the case this year. Apparently, there are no new needs for the fragment 4, so do 8K auctions become that much more difficult to fund? TG prices go up yet more?

Maybe TPTB could add a Lesser MOE which requires any 4 fragments, but gets a random Saint? I think most would be happy with that. Yes, I have a horse in the race. I just want what is best for everyone.

Hopefully people are just caught up in the holidays and haven't started bidding on it yet. Looking at the auction analysis, the lowest price paid is $1,112. It's quite a drop off from that to 25 cents.

Hopefully the next multi year 1 per 8k order each year will do something so that each has a value in of itself

I think we are way too far down the road with the Fragments now to start talking about coming up with some other Token that left over Fragments can be transmuted into. That ship has sailed IMO. Jeff clearly stated what was needed years ago to make a MoE. Everyone had the opportunity to get a Mark by buying an 8K order for four consecutive years. No tears being shed here for those that chose to gamble on buying Fragments in auctions and are now short one.

I do think going forward it "might" be better to have any future 8K transmutes follow the path of the Elder and Eldest Orbs where one just needs a certain number of X Tokens to make a lessor transmute and Tokens from every year to make a more powerful transmute. The reason I say "might" is that doing something like this may cause the value of the 8K Token to be low enough where auctions don't fund. Orbs didn't go for anywhere near what Fragments are going for. But the Eldest Orb wasn't a personalized Token so there is that.

Whatever Jeff comes up with as long as he clearly states any transmute requirements ahead of time there should be zero complaints from people. Zero. Those choosing not to buy an 8K but instead gamble on multiple auctions over multiple years...well...good luck is all that can be said.

I think the higher prices for Fragment 4 up until now were people trying to get that last fragment so they could complete their MoE in time to have priority registration on January 10th for Ring Con. There will be a lull now as it's too late to complete an auction, get the Fragment 4 shipped to a winner, and the winner getting it to TD in time for January 10th.

The next important date is March 15th which is the deadline to transmute a MoE in time for Ring Con. But since that transmute needs to be received by TD no later than March 15th, realistically an auction would need to be finished by the end of February to have a chance.

Of course, it's hard to know how many out there are planning to make a MoE and already have the first three fragments. And hard to know how many can't attend Ring Con so they can be patient until before December 1st which is the final deadline to transmute a MoE. My guess is that the majority of those that spent to get the first three fragments wanted the final fragment to transmute in time to register for Ring Con on January 10th.

Could always just not bother with this additional one-of bonus. I know that won't happen as juicing 8k bundles makes sense to push sales.

I agree that going forward it would be great to have some sort of lesser transmute requiring X amount of any of the tokens, as there are always going to be years with more sales than others, and it would be great to have something to do with those excess tokens.