TOPIC: Anyone playing VTD please read

Okay if you do not buy out the VTD run, please stop loaning tokens out (other than TEs). Some coaches and DMs have had some complaints from new people. SO my suggestion, make a normal build, hardcore and nightmare build. That way you can just still have fun with newbies.

I get you paid money for the ticket…so did they. SO my suggestion (as always is buy out the run, or find a group on the forums).
Stop doing PUGs. Unless you are willing to have 3 different builds.

Don’t spoil puzzles…for the love of Pelor, I should not still be saying this. I have instructed the DMs to start muting players

We love your support and passion but some people are still ruining the game for new people

I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

Refusing to help at all in puzzles, or the whole run?

Spoiling puzzles is really stupid. You track your own HP. If you don't want to take fail or push damage, just don't record it. (probably not the official TD stance)

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lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

I've certainly seen the puzzle spoiling thing (which is terrible), but I don't get the refusing to help. Are they refusing to help because they don't want to risk spoiling puzzles? Or are they just mentally checked out and only there for the loot?

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

I've certainly seen the puzzle spoiling thing (which is terrible), but I don't get the refusing to help. Are they refusing to help because they don't want to risk spoiling puzzles? Or are they just mentally checked out and only there for the loot?

I definitely agree no one should spoil puzzles, as far as helping on a puzzle you already know that’s tricky. Usually if there is enough players that don’t know the answer to a puzzle I’ll get the clue and let the rest of the players figure out the puzzle. That being all said I’m just buying out one run per event so I’m not the VTD problem.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

I've certainly seen the puzzle spoiling thing (which is terrible), but I don't get the refusing to help. Are they refusing to help because they don't want to risk spoiling puzzles? Or are they just mentally checked out and only there for the loot?

I definitely agree no one should spoil puzzles, as far as helping on a puzzle you already know that’s tricky. Usually if there is enough players that don’t know the answer to a puzzle I’ll get the clue and let the rest of the players figure out the puzzle. That being all said I’m just buying out one run per event so I’m not the VTD problem.

It's a hard line to know where to draw it on. While it would be ideal to know everyone's preferences when part of the group knows solutions and part doesn't, that doesn't always happen. I've seen people get blasted on this forum for doing the puzzles when they know them and they have players that don't... now I'm seeing people get blasted for the direct opposite. We all want everyone on a run to have fun, but it seems like we're starting to get to a point where you need a two-page survey prerun to figure out what everyone wants out of a run.

isauteikisa wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I am genuinely sorry this has to be said.

The completion tokens aren't worth losing new players over.

Agreed, players should never be pressuring other players to do higher difficulty levels than they want just to get better participation tokens.

That is just part of it. Then vets are spoiling puzzles or refusing to help at all

I've certainly seen the puzzle spoiling thing (which is terrible), but I don't get the refusing to help. Are they refusing to help because they don't want to risk spoiling puzzles? Or are they just mentally checked out and only there for the loot?

I definitely agree no one should spoil puzzles, as far as helping on a puzzle you already know that’s tricky. Usually if there is enough players that don’t know the answer to a puzzle I’ll get the clue and let the rest of the players figure out the puzzle. That being all said I’m just buying out one run per event so I’m not the VTD problem.

It's a hard line to know where to draw it on. While it would be ideal to know everyone's preferences when part of the group knows solutions and part doesn't, that doesn't always happen. I've seen people get blasted on this forum for doing the puzzles when they know them and they have players that don't... now I'm seeing people get blasted for the direct opposite. We all want everyone on a run to have fun, but it seems like we're starting to get to a point where you need a two-page survey prerun to figure out what everyone wants out of a run.

If you are doing PUGs, which is what I believe this post is about, you can just let the group know that you have solved the puzzles and are going to avoid giving the answer unless you reach the 1 minute warning. You can even ask them if they'd like clues if you think that you can do that with out giving away the answer. It comes down to communicating.

I think we need more clarification on what, "vets not helping" specifically means.

We all assume it's the puzzles, but it could be something else.

Not everyone can buy out a run, but everyone can avoid ruining a run for newer players.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I think we need more clarification on what, "vets not helping" specifically means.

We all assume it's the puzzles, but it could be something else.

Not everyone can buy out a run, but everyone can avoid ruining a run for newer players.

I 100% agree with this. Though I know what not ruining a puzzle means, I haven't a clue what not helping means.